New article about ADS-B states 88% compliance

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  1. Ravioli

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    This from AOPA's Aviation E-Brief:

    November ADS-B Equipage Rate Continues Modest Ascent
    by Jerry Siebenmark
    - December 10, 2019, 9:51 AM


    ADS-B equipage of U.S. business and general aviation turbine-powered aircraft rose modestly from a month ago and was up by double-digits from a year ago, according to FlightAware’s November 2019 ADS-B report released yesterday. Eighty-eight percent of business and general aviation turbine aircraft—15,520—were compliant with the FAA’s January 2020 mandate in November, a 3 percent increase from October and 24 percent higher than the 10,107 equipped aircraft reported last November.

    The aircraft types with the highest equipage rates in the period were the Cessna Citation Latitude and Embraer Legacy 450 twinjets, both at 100 percent; followed by the Cessna Citation CJ4 at 98 percent; and the Citation Sovereign, Dassault Falcon 7X, Gulfstream G650, and Honda HA-420 HondaJet, all at 97 percent.

    Leading aircraft with the lowest ADS-B equipage rates for the period was the Air Tractor AT-802, 42 percent, followed by the Quest Kodiak, 59 percent; Cessna Citation III, 67 percent; Learjet 55, 70 percent; and Dassault Falcon 20, 72 percent. The report said 2,099 U.S.-registered turbine aircraft remain unequipped.
     
  2. MarkH

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    What's the rate on Cessna 150s?

    I budgeted 10% of my purchase price on ADS-B and it seems not only did I under budget, but I also bought so late I may not be able to actually get the work done in time.
     
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    purt near 0

    Of the dozen 150's I know of (all in mode c veil) not one of them has done it yet.
     
  4. flyingron

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    Why not, every one of those models listed is primarily GA. Just because it's a bizjet or crop duster doesn't make it not GA.
     
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    We were scheduled to have ADSB out installed in November. But the shop pushed us. No word yet when they are going to get us in.
     
  6. Jesse Saint

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    My 150 has ADS-B, and I know of several others, so it’s something above Zero on the 150’s. I am installing an average of one a day lately. Did 7 or 8 in a week two weeks ago.
     
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    The citation 3, Lear 55 and falcon 20's without ads-b will probably be reaching the ends of their lives Jan 1, it's just not worth the money to equip aircraft of their age.
     
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    Mine too, wanted to take advantage of the rebate.
     
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    I've scaled back my plans for ADSB in at this point. I'm going to upgrade my existing mode S transponder to ES (its already connected to an WAAS GPS). The local shop has 'em on the shelf and can swap it in a few hours. They'll work on the rest of the panel upgrade next spring.
     
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    All three airplanes I work on already have it and two of them almost never fly where it’s required.
     
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    It's just not GA as many of us know it.
     
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    Eh? It's not single-engine recreational aviation, but such is not the sum total of GA. If it ain't military, public, or airline, it's GA.
     
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    I know that, but focusing only on turbine powered aircraft makes it seem as if that's all there is to GA, when turbines are a small part of the total fleet. Kind of like assuming that a C-150 owner must be rich because Learjets are expensive.

    No ADS-B in my plane and no plans for it, unless the price comes way down.
     
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    My 150 is not compliant and never will be as long as i own it.
     
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    You're right. I should have said, "I get the feeling they are talking about business aircraft, not personal." Which, they are.
     
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    Adsb is in my clubs 150 as well as the 172 and 182.
     
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    What i find amazing is that 42% of Air Tractor 802's are equipped...
     
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    The ag guy I talked to said he had several customers who either had fields inside B, C or at least under the veil where it's required. We don't have ADS-b out in our Arrow yet. I still keep thinking it will be cheaper a year from now and I very rarely fly in airspace that it's required. I'll just avoid those for now.
     
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    That Quest Kodiak number is surprising, because they are pretty new airplanes.

    All of those airplanes are used mostly for GA.

    Tail or Wing Beacon, unless you want all in one transponder capability.

    I wouldn't be surprised if nearly 100% that are used in California are. Especially those that operate along the coast and anywhere near Fresno or Sacramento.
     
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    It’s interesting the citation I and II aren’t the list.
     
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    Does a 140 count. My Cessna has been compliant since March and the Mooney since March of last year. For those of us who understood the advantage of having IN and OUT, the deadline didn’t mean much. I am happy to have it even when I was corcling above the field breaking in a new engine a few months ago.

    BTW, unless you paid more than $18,950 for your 150, a Skybeacon is within your budget. Of course that doesn’t give you IN, but at least it gives you legal compliance. You would be missing out on traffic and weather information, but you wouldn’t limit where you can legally fly.
     
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    $200. for a Stratux and ?$ for whatever wifi-capable tablet with foreflight gives you the traffic and wx at some point.
     
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    That's dependent on a few things. Do you already have a transponder that works with one of the cheaper solutions, along with a WAAS GPS? If not, the Delta isn't much and it is nice to get integrated information that will also provide you a reliable backup in case of a vacuum/AHRS failure.
     
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    That is GA. From a 150 to a G-V, all GA.
     
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    Still holding out on my 172. I just can't imagine prices not dropping some point in the next year or so. Right now the manufacturers have so much demand that they can keep prices high, but there are only so many skybeacons they can sell, and at some point they will either drop new prices, or they will start to pop up on the used market when people are doing panel upgrades.
     
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    That is my exact thought too. And since I don't need one now, I'll wait.
     
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    Exactly. It’s because of where they operate or may need to operate. It’s also why I’ll eventually outfit the Waco with ADS-B. Because I fly it a lot underneath Class C.
     
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    I'll have to post on here after I upgrade my panel and replace the TailBeacon. Every little bit will help. :)
     
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    The Stratux I bought a few years ago before doing everything up right cost less than $100. After getting IN/OUT transponders in both my planes I gave it to a friend. Once he put in a panel solution he gave it back. Another friend will want it eventually until they get a chance to do a proper panel mount solution.

    At least the Stratux gives traffic and weather. The lack of AHRS and reliance on a power cable stringing across the cockpit or a remote battery to keep up with makes it less than the ideal solution.
     
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    There's an add on to do ahrs on stratux now. I put it in mine. A ship-powered system would be great, but the club bought skybeacons for everything, so stratux is an ideal solution for me. Great peace of mind. I still can't believe how well it works for $150 worth of parts and 15min of work.
     
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    You don't need it to fly into airports/airspace under a class C shelf. Only Class C proper. You do need it to fly under class Bravo shelf, and only because that falls inside the Mode C veil of old.
     
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    There seems to be a little disconnect going on here. The Stratux and what it will do is not and never will be required. That is only an ADS-B In box. What this discussion is about is ADS-B Out. I really would like to know what percentage of piston GA planes are equipped.
     
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    suffice to say, the gold rush on adsb installations is over with this holiday season. Good riddance. Shops are probably going to see a sharp decline on certified adsb transponder installations going forward. a normalization of demand in all reality. sure, theres a couple of stray cats here and there who can wait for a heavily discounted 1090ES since it doesn't ground them for what are generally well underutilized spam cans flying around the flagpole anyways. But it's not a significant "shadow inventory" in the least. At least I hope for the avionics shops' sake, they haven't pinned their hopes on the adsb blip. lol.

    that's why I think uavionix did the right thing by focusing on experimental and the aerovonics purchase. certified is dead goose long term unless you cater to revenue airplanes.
     
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    I'd say most airplanes that are flown on a regular basis have been ADSB equipped. The ones that aren't by now probably never will be in the hands of their current owner. They either don't need it where they fly, or can't afford it. The Venture is equipped because it pretty much has to be for the type of flying it's meant to do. My 150 will not be as long as I own it. It's a time building toy and the long way around controlled airspace builds time.
     
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    This may seem off-topic, but I feel like this is where an owner-maintenance category (as proposed by MOSAIC) would really shine.

    If I could install a $1500 solution myself, I would be doing it this weekend. But with a time crunch and a limited number of GA Avionics shops, I am having trouble getting anyone to return my calls.
     
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    You don't need an Avionics shop to install a $1500 solution. Any A&P can do those, or you can and they can sign off on it.
     
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    There isn't a $1500 certified solution.

    And I was under the impression that I need an IA to sign off on a TailBeacon install.
     
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    The name of this thread is misleading; the article speaks only of turbine aircraft