Need help for an old dog who pees in the house when he gets upset

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  1. Crashnburn

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    I took him to the vet a while ago to see if they could help. They sent me home with a urine collection kit, but he doesn't pee enough in a whole day for them to test.

    I'm wondering if anyone has found a supplement for dogs that will help with this problem.
    Putting him to sleep is not an option.

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    It is what happens with our best friends when they get old……doubt any med or supplement would help.
    Frequent pee pee breaks outside do help.
    Part of the love and understanding in the relationship.
     
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    sorry (and I understand "putting him to sleep is not an option")

    probably best to learn how to clean up dog urine. Learn how to properly vac the rug, baking soda, etc etc etc.
     
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    Been through this as well. Found no preventative meds. Tile or wood, tile is best. Diapers...

    Been through this with people too... horribly undignified, no getting around that. Dogs don’t have pride and ego problems. Love ‘em, they’ll love ya back. Simple. Good luck!
     
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    We had an old dog with a kidney problem that resulted in him not being able to pee sometimes and at other times he would just let loose randomly it seemed. We used a new food, I think it was a Science Diet variety of canned food ($$), that had reduced minerals. We may have also given him a prescription at the time for a while, can’t remember, that was in the 1990s. He lived another 8 years, to the ripe old age of 19.

    Some dog foods contain a hella sodium and other minerals that cause kidney or bladder issues. Worth your time to do some research and experiment with foods.

    I think with humans, acidic drinks like cranberry juice can help. Not sure with doggos.

    Don’t give up too soon. My philosophy is that if euthanasia is done, you’ll either later think it was too soon or too late. Don’t kick yourself either way dude.
     
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    I put an old male Sheppard in a utility room overnight. I put some of those puppy training pads on the floor. It was satisfactory up until the Vet had to put him under. He described Fritz as "A real gentleman." My 12 year old dog/wolf hybrid seems to be self regulating. Ziva has hearing that's awesome. She rouses me up one to three times most nights, reacting to little noises that I can't hear. Such as a rabbit outside the back door. It makes me grumpy, but I love her. She takes care of business while outside on patrol.
     
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    My daughter in law had a dog that was whizzin all the time. Not an old dog. It was a high strung pure bred something. Let loose every time she got excited which was just about always. They got some prescription from the vet but it didn't work much. So there are some pills out there. Hope you find a solution.
     
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    Top Paw® Disposable Male Wrap Dog Diapers (proprietary brand of PetSmart)
    After going through every alternative, we found these. Size medium for a 30 pound dog. They worked beautifully and didn't seem to bother him. Got to be second nature discarding the old and applying the new.
     
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    1. Does the behavior only occur as a reaction to being upset?

    2. What upsets the dog?

    3. Can the response be conditioned out of the dog?
     
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    Doggie diapers. If it happens while sleeping, we had a mesh cot that an old dog of ours slept on with absorbent disposable pads underneath it. Spray the cot off with the garden hose and good to go.
     
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    Thanks to all. He's already on a Hill's Science Diet prescription dogfood. Doggy diapers have been recommended before; I guess it's time to give them a try. As far as conditioning him, I don't know.
     
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    Does he drink excessively? My dog was diagnosed with diabetes insipidus and the hormone pills that were prescribed seem to work. He also takes an OTC incontinence pill from NaturVet.
     
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    First thing is to rule out a physical problem before assuming it is - and treating for - a behavioral problem.

    That is why your veterinarian wanted a urine sample.

    Too many pets with diabetes mellitus, diabetes insipidis, renal failure, UTI, Cushings disease, hyperthyroidism, hepatic disease, fever - well the list is huge....too many of these diseases are missed, when people assume their pet is misbehaving.

    THEN, if a physical problem is not found would we talk about behavior.

    Leave your dog at the vet for 24 hours, they'll get that urine sample and probably will do a minimum of blood work. They will take a history, examine your dog - maybe it also has osteoarthritis and simply finds getting to the door is too difficult.
     
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    He doesn't seem to drink excessively. Thanks for the tip about NaturVet; I just ordered a bottle. Also, I picked up some male dog wraps.

    It's not hard for him to get to the door. It's just that when he needs to go, sometimes he doesn't tell anyone he needs to pee.
     
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    Man that's a tough one. I was going to make a big long post of things I'm unqualified to comment on yet I have some great ideas but I will save them.

    These are the kinds of things where, in my case, it's best to STFU because I'm ALWAYS accused of insensitivity. Case in point - when I was growing up, and relatives, dad's friends in whatever campaigns and whatever, died or were killed, it was always the "He/she lived a long life and eventually that happens" type of thing. Which worked for me, and everyone I knew and grew up with. But apparently, it didn't work for a former GF of mine when her mother died.

    To this day I don't know what her problem was. I don't even know what point I am trying to make.

    Okay now I remember. Not all of the responses you may get are what you are looking for. We all know you love your dog and will do anything for him, but some of us may feel that you may need to take a step back and look at realistically what the situation is. And I'm not going to tell you what that is. You are there. I am not. Just sayin' okay.
     
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    Yeah. You’re being insensitive but that’s life. I put down both of my dogs when they were suffering. Every time they had accidents in the house it upset them more than me. I could not let them suffer. It really sucked.
     
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    I hate that disease.
     
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    My dad was a veterinarian. Taught small animal surgery at WSU for 30 years. He absolutely hated putting one of our pets down. Way too emotional an event. Trust me, vets are human, too.
     
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    I am not sure why you thought I was being insensitive towards veterinarians. It was not intentional.
     
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    Yes, I know, this is POA, and unsolicited advice is inevitable. Tuffy doesn't seem to be bothered by peeing in the house. Other than that, for 13.5 years, he seems to be in pretty good shape. When we go for a walk, he doesn't so much walk as prance (and he really likes girl dogs).

    The NaturVet supplements should come soon, and we'll see if they help. In the meantime, he'll start the days off without a wrap. If he pees, he wears it the rest of the day, except when he goes outside, or on a walk.

    He doesn't really like the wrap, so I'm hoping he'll learn that if he only pees outside, he won't have to wear the wrap.

    Would you put this guy down before its absolutely time?
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    Not sure I understand this comment, CnB. Your thread title, if I'm not mistaken says "Need Help..".
    Or maybe I continue to fail at understanding the English language.
     
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    No intent thought. I was simply making an observation.
     
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    Negative! Or any other critter less cute...
     
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    Just take the dog outside every hour or so, if his bladder is empty, he wont be peeing in the house.
     
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    Of course not. He’s your buddy.
     
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    I said I needed help. I also said putting him to sleep was not an option, and people still suggested that. I'm not going to get into a ****ing contest. That's Tuffy's job.;)
     
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    Haven't read through the entire thread as it seems it is filled with the usual ****ing contest between the usual candidates, but have you ever heard of Proin? It's a medicine used to treat urinary incontinence in dogs. Our 3 year old lab started having accidents around the house without seeming to realize it. She got diagnosed with spay related urinary incontinence and put on Proin. It has worked really well for us, she hasn't had a single accident since she started over 6 months ago. Might not be at all applicable to your situation (i'm not a vet), but just food for thought. But I will echo what others have said in that you should bring him to the vet, leave him there if needed, and get a full workup. As with human medicine, advice from random, unqualified people (including myself) rarely is the solution.
     
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    Got to wondering re Proin - a veterinary preparation of phenylpropanololamine. Strongly suggest caution and doing your research before using.
     
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    Absolutely, hence me imploring that they go to a vet and do a full work up. Proin is a prescription Vetrinary drug anyway so not that you could do it any other way anyway. There are certainly reports of side effects but thankfully our pup hasn’t shown any.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion. Tuffy has been on the supplement for about a week, and already he's holding his water a lot better. He's now whining to go outside, and holding it until we can let him out. Also, he's able to last all night without having to go out to pee. That hasn't happened in a long time.
     
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    excellent
     
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    I usually leave my GSP at the vet. I don't walk her on a leash ever and it's impossible to get a sample. She didn't have a UTI like I was concerned about. Just super active and needs more water...which means more breaks. So it was my own laziness that caused problems.

    As far as putting them down. Will never suggest it not being there. Usually if the dog won't eat, it's telling you something. Although my 37 lb gsp didn't eat for 3 days after getting all 4 corners tore up pretty good going after a coon/coyote/fox/ possum. Not really sure what it was. Weighed her on Monday at the vet and she was 34.2, fairly certain vet called the ASPCA on me.
    Dogs are great. Mine gives you hug if you ask. I need that. Glad to hear your puppers seems to be doing better.

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    Installing a doggie door a possibility/feasible?
     
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    Glad to hear your doggo is doing better! Having just had to say goodbye to the old girl in my avatar (Janis) at just short of 15, I feel your pain at even the thought of losing him. But for when that time eventually comes, I'll share a piece of wisdom I found recently that helped us make the decision: "Better to do it a month too early, than a day too late" or words to that effect. For us, it was better to let her slip off gently, in my lap, at the vet's, than in pain and confusion at a time not of our choosing. Still miss the old girl just as much though.
     
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