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I was getting dressed last week and at the exact wrong time my knee gave out a bit(I think the bath mat moved but cant prove it) and I pulled a muscle in my back on one side. Cue the pain and slow walking since. Getting out of my car is comedic to everyone but me.

I have been asking people on tips to prevent future pain, or strengthen the small back muscles. I have been getting lots of advice. side extensions, cobra stretches, superman stretches, vitamins, chicken sacrifices, etc. Any real advice? I do back exercises at the gym with the machines, but this feels like a small muscle strain, like the ones that stabilize.
 
I think regular activity such as even walking, and core-strengthening is important (after you heal from this event).
I hike a 500' hill a few times a week and yesterday I went up our local 300' pile of rocks which involves abdominal wall strengthening and lots of times where hands were needed in addition to feet to scale the surface.
 
I play hockey and keep myself reasonably fit, but I don't want to give erroneous advice as I'm not a doctor or physical therapist. My thoughts lead to core strength and flexibility as the issue - however I will say that for the injuries that I have received from sports, when scheduling sessions with a physical therapist, I have definitely found that the exercises that they prescribed to treat the injured body part have been pretty invaluable in preventing future injury to said body part. The PTs are quite good at identifying which weakness led to the injury, and what you can do going forward to keep those muscles strong. I would recommend booking a session or two with one just as a fact-finding mission.
 
I was getting dressed last week and at the exact wrong time my knee gave out a bit(I think the bath mat moved but cant prove it) and I pulled a muscle in my back on one side. Cue the pain and slow walking since. Getting out of my car is comedic to everyone but me.

I have been asking people on tips to prevent future pain, or strengthen the small back muscles. I have been getting lots of advice. ...

sounds like you are searching for someone to say the answer you want: is "take a couple of shots of your favorite moonshine" what are looking for?
 
Coach used to say ... "walk it off" :biggrin:
 
I'm a retired orthopedic surgeon and would advise people to take with a grain of salt any advice that someone gives based just on their own personal experience. Personal experience compared to what? The natural history of back pain in general is for it to resolve on its own regardless of "therapy" including drugs, surgery, PT and dozens of other methods. "Eighty percent of medicine is to keep the patient entertained while the disease runs its natural course" is an age-old quip which in my opinion contains a lot of truth. The fact is, most of the time the actual physiologic cause of the back pain isn't known despite the diagnosis that the patient hears or that appears on the medical record. There are probably a number of different etiologies with no objective way to detect them, and things like "bulging discs", "torn muscles", "low back strain", "lumbago" and others are usually difficult if not impossible to prove with any reliable test.

When CAT scans were first utilized, I recall a study that found that something in the range of 65% of patients with NO SYMPTOMS who had volunteered for the test were found by the radiologist to have abnormal findings on the test. That means that in a large number of patient WITH SYMPTOMS will have those same or very similar results, but that doesn't mean that the abnormalities necessarily have anything to do with causation, although it's typically assumed that it does.

I did spinal deformity surgery but did not do surgery for back pain unless there was clear and very convincing evidence of a very specific cause, and that was fairly rare. I ultimately stopped scheduling back pain patients in the office, referring them instead to a level-headed surgeon specialist with a good management track record which could include surgery but usually didn't.

So my general advice for acute back pain (that isn't shooting down into the lower leg) is simply to stop doing anything that hurts until the pain subsides, and be patient while it does so. Gentle stretching helps as the pain level reduces and once comfortable, conditioning can and does help prevent future episodes. Stay away from narcotics except maybe in the first day or two. Don't rush into "treatment" for something that is likely to resolve with or without it, and don't be shy about asking doctors what they do for their own back pain. You are likely to be surprised.
 
^ what he said. I will add the best thing I’ve done to reduce these type incidents has been working with a really good massage therapist.

A lot of times a tight muscle in one region will create an imbalance somewhere else that gets irritated when there’s a sudden, unexpected motion. Massage therapy can help release soft tissue problems and has ultimately led to fewer strains for me.
 
Most of us pull those little stabilizer muscles once in a while as we get older. All the advice you got is good. Rest, massages, stretching, core exercises, hot tub with the Swedish Bikini Team, it all helps.

For a really bad strain with spasms, an Rx for a couple of days of Flexoril can help get you through the acute stage.

PTs are miracle workers.
 
I was getting dressed last week and at the exact wrong time my knee gave out a bit(I think the bath mat moved but cant prove it) and I pulled a muscle in my back on one side. Cue the pain and slow walking since. Getting out of my car is comedic to everyone but me.

I have been asking people on tips to prevent future pain, or strengthen the small back muscles. I have been getting lots of advice. side extensions, cobra stretches, superman stretches, vitamins, chicken sacrifices, etc. Any real advice? I do back exercises at the gym with the machines, but this feels like a small muscle strain, like the ones that stabilize.
For what it is worth this wrong place to ask advice, and not enough information even if it was the right place. Dbahn has advice that is certainly generally good, however, without knowing the specifics of your back issues, and yourself, and examining you, any suggestions as well meaning as they may be, may be anywhere from helpful to harmful. If the pain continues and/or if you are looking on how to maintain your back health you should speak to your PCP.
 
Once you’re healed and good to go, consider changing your workouts. Ditch the machines for free weights, especially dumbbells and kettlebells. Bring in exercises that incorporate rotation - work in the transverse plane of motion. Lift a weight from floor to place it on a platform behind you, one-handed overhesd presses, various twists and throws. You can use exercise bands to simulate digging and chopping. The transverse plane is where we work (loading, moving, digging) and play (hit balls, throw, move opponents).

I switched to this as part of following Pat McNamara’s Combat Strength Training system and at 57 am in the best overall shape of my life. When it comes to doing actual work - digging holes, loading and unloading bags of mulch, stacking firewood, moving furniture - I now have zero soreness and am much more stable and solid through the entire range of motion.

Life happens in all planes of motion. You have to train in all three planes - vertical (overhead lifts), horizontal (pushing and pulling) and transverse (rotational). Full movement for full performance and health.
 
Once you’re healed and good to go, consider changing your workouts. Ditch the machines for free weights

For a long time I did traditional gym weight work, bench, squats, deads, Romanians, etc., but gave it up during covid and started some bodyweight training, trying some of the “You are your own gym” stuff from Mark Lauren.

OMG, the first week of the bottom level beginner course totally wrecked me. I thought I was in decent shape, but I was totally wrong. It took me a while, but I’ve now found the routine that works for me, and knock wood I’ve had no back pain since starting bodyweight.

Like @ateamer says above, this, like his suggestion, is a more “functional” type workout and applies more to the types of body movements one does every day. Also, while an certain exercise may concentrate on a specific thing like legs, almost every exercise requires engaging the core to accomplish, with good results.

YMMV, good luck getting going again!
 
If the pain continues and/or if you are looking on how to maintain your back health you should speak to your PCP.
That's generally good advice - but with a pitfall. The PCP is going to code your initial visit based on a diagnosis menu, and hopefully pick the best and most accurate one. But if the spine specialist doesn't know exactly what the exact diagnosis is, how does the PCP know? Assuming that they had similar knowledge getting out of medical school, one spent the next four or five years in a family practice or internal medicine residency and the other in an orthopedic residency (and both have already forgotten some of what they learned in medical school) so you can logically assume they have different knowledge and experience bases. I've treated hundreds and maybe thousands of patients for back pain. Sometimes a discreet diagnosis was accurate, but more often than not I was treating a symptom rather than a specific underlying condition. The goal on the first visit was to rule out a more serious underlying condition such as tumor or neurological conditions, then treat the symptoms and re-evaluate as needed. I would emphasize the part above about "if the pain continues", even if it's your first episode.

Your visit needs to be reported on the next medical and the diagnosis code can eventually be processed by the FAA and lead to further inquiry and further requests to demonstrate that it's not a safety issue. (Ask me how I know . . . ) You may also be prescribed treatment that doesn't match the actual cause of the problem, which could be a waste of time, effort, and money and could even make the symptoms worse. Just be aware of these consequences and choose wisely.

Wishing you good luck.
 
trying some of the “You are your own gym” stuff from Mark Lauren.

OMG, the first week of the bottom level beginner course totally wrecked me. I thought I was in decent shape, but I was totally wrong.
Hmm... looking this up now. I've gotten into body weight/calisthenics stuff lately too, and it feels great. Though my workouts are a bit unstructured at the moment
 
This thread went in a very humorous direction, as expected and wanted. With some good advice sprinkled in, which is surprising and appreciated!

Thanks all!
 
My wife used to have back problems and would spend money with a Quackopractor all the time. One day she signed up for a yoga class and hasn't looked back...between that, stretching, and doing core exercises.... she hasn't had an issue since
 
This thread went in a very humorous direction, as expected and wanted. With some good advice sprinkled in, which is surprising and appreciated!

Thanks all!
One thing to clean from it is that as long as the specific cause of the pain isn't clear (and it usually isn't) and it isn't something more dangerous like tumor then it's fair game to treat the symptoms with whatever works, even though it may be different for everybody.
 
I'd say if you are over 40, just breathing can cause this.
I have pulled my back terribly multiple times and never once while doing anything strenuous.
 
You should probably quit getting dressed, since it is obviously fraught with injury potential.
 
My wife used to have back problems and would spend money with a Quackopractor all the time. One day she signed up for a yoga class and hasn't looked back...between that, stretching, and doing core exercises.... she hasn't had an issue since
My wife had same result with Pilates. She swears by it now.

100% agree with functional exercises vs isolation movements. Avoid anything with a bench or seat.

The other key is variety. Constant change is good.

(Reminds me of what Hank Williams said when asked what kind of women he liked. But I digress.)

CrossFit was the first system to popularize functional fitness, and move people away from working out like Arnold or marathon runners. The CrossFit recipe is constantly varied functional exercises at high intensity. The intensity part gets a lot of people, especially those over 40ish, so plenty of more reasonable systems have evolved.

I'm a huge believer in exercise. So many things it can prevent or fix.
 
I'm a retired orthopedic surgeon and would advise people to take with a grain of salt any advice that someone gives based just on their own personal experience. Personal experience compared to what? The natural history of back pain in general is for it to resolve on its own regardless of "therapy" including drugs, surgery, PT and dozens of other methods. "Eighty percent of medicine is to keep the patient entertained while the disease runs its natural course" is an age-old quip which in my opinion contains a lot of truth. The fact is, most of the time the actual physiologic cause of the back pain isn't known despite the diagnosis that the patient hears or that appears on the medical record. There are probably a number of different etiologies with no objective way to detect them, and things like "bulging discs", "torn muscles", "low back strain", "lumbago" and others are usually difficult if not impossible to prove with any reliable test.

When CAT scans were first utilized, I recall a study that found that something in the range of 65% of patients with NO SYMPTOMS who had volunteered for the test were found by the radiologist to have abnormal findings on the test. That means that in a large number of patient WITH SYMPTOMS will have those same or very similar results, but that doesn't mean that the abnormalities necessarily have anything to do with causation, although it's typically assumed that it does.

I did spinal deformity surgery but did not do surgery for back pain unless there was clear and very convincing evidence of a very specific cause, and that was fairly rare. I ultimately stopped scheduling back pain patients in the office, referring them instead to a level-headed surgeon specialist with a good management track record which could include surgery but usually didn't.

So my general advice for acute back pain (that isn't shooting down into the lower leg) is simply to stop doing anything that hurts until the pain subsides, and be patient while it does so. Gentle stretching helps as the pain level reduces and once comfortable, conditioning can and does help prevent future episodes. Stay away from narcotics except maybe in the first day or two. Don't rush into "treatment" for something that is likely to resolve with or without it, and don't be shy about asking doctors what they do for their own back pain. You are likely to be surprised.
One of my best friends has terrible back problems. He is a hard man who has lived a hard life, military career on the tip of the spear, and an avid big game hunter out west.

He has had half a dozen operations over the years, each expecting to "fix" his issues. The other day we were skiing (he won't back down), and he made the comment, "sometimes I wonder if this is just how I am." It hit me hard to realize he is still hoping for a fix.

I injured my neck when younger, and for many years I had bad problems with it. Every few months I would wake up and head would be locked looking sideways. Figured I would eventually have to get carved on. After about 20 years, it just went away. My neck makes all kind of grinding noises that freak my wife out, but no pain and it hasn't locked up in 15 years. Go figure.
 
I'd say if you are over 40, just breathing can cause this.
I have pulled my back terribly multiple times and never once while doing anything strenuous.
:yeahthat:
Happened to me for the first time recently. "WTF, why can't I touch my toes?" After a few weeks, it's starting to get better on its own. I try to run at least weekly, but that's not a replacement for core exercises. Yoga would probably help.

See also, "Oh, the thing I need is just in the back seat of the car, let me reach and get i--- OH LORD HAVE MERCY IT BURNS", or feeling like you're hung over even though you don't drink.

GeorgeC,
who knows where he is, and cares
 
Regarding how to prevent back pain, and bearing in mind that everyone is different, one thing I have learned is that I must avoid pulling an airplane, I must only push. Spending too much time in bed can also be a problem. Regarding treating it when it happens, two or three doses of ibuprofen is the magic pill for me.
 
Tighten up the abs and start a walking program. Also get a checkup to make sure you havnt slipped a disc.
 
At age 76 now, I started with back problems as an adolescent and it's waxed and waned since. About 30 years ago, after two episodes of true sciatica (neuro deficit included) from which I eventually recovered without real treatment, I was playing hockey one night and thought I had ruptured a hamstring because all of the sudden pain in my leg. I was hospitalized by my surgeon partner and had a myelogram. I told him that I've tried conservative treatment twice and that I'm ready for surgery. The next day I had a laminectomy and he removed what the anesthesiologist claimed was the "largest disc fragment he had ever seen". I woke up pain free, disobeyed all the post op recommendations a week later by cutting down my own Christmas tree and hauling it out of the woods. A week after that I was playing hockey again and have remained very actives since. I still have an absent ankle reflex on that side and a little permanent weakness, but zero impairment from those. I get occasional back pain and just follow my own advice to take it easy until it goes away.

About five years ago I developed severe pain in both legs when walking, but no back pain. I assumed it was due to spinal stenosis, but I was in the Bahamas, where I arranged for an MRI as soon as I got home. The MRI showed marked narrowing (stenosis) in the spinal canal because the disc in front and the ligaments in back within the spinal canal were pressing on the nerve roots. I would gladly have had immediate surgery, but my partner (a spine surgeon) insisted that I try an epidural injection, which relieved the leg pain for about 6 weeks. When it came back I said, "Ok, NOW I'm ready for surgery". He insisted we try another epidural injection and to my surprise the leg pain has been gone ever since. Here's a shot of my MRI. The arrow at L 4 -5 points to where the nerves are being pinched. (The white color is cerebrospinal fluid and the grey inside of that are the nerve roots.) You can see how the disc space below that has fused itself after the previous disc surgery there, and the disc space above it has collapsed from normal wear and tear. Above that is fairly marked "bulging disc" which doesn't cause any problems, and I consider it to be nearly normal. There are arthritic changes throughout, which I refer to as "gray hair of the spine" and they cause little if any real symptoms.

My point in all of this is that I'm fine despite fairly severe radiographic and other objective findings. There were at least five times that I was a candidate for surgery, but the only operation I had was done only after non-surgical management had failed twice and the problem had become recurrent. The surgery (and later the epidural injection) completely relieved my leg pain, and whenever I develop any back pain I just follow my own advice and just take it easy until it goes away, which it always does. Rarely, I'll take a little ibuprofen but that's it for meds.



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Once you’re healed and good to go, consider changing your workouts. Ditch the machines for free weights, especially dumbbells and kettlebells. Bring in exercises that incorporate rotation - work in the transverse plane of motion. Lift a weight from floor to place it on a platform behind you, one-handed overhesd presses, various twists and throws. You can use exercise bands to simulate digging and chopping. The transverse plane is where we work (loading, moving, digging) and play (hit balls, throw, move opponents).

I switched to this as part of following Pat McNamara’s Combat Strength Training system and at 57 am in the best overall shape of my life. When it comes to doing actual work - digging holes, loading and unloading bags of mulch, stacking firewood, moving furniture - I now have zero soreness and am much more stable and solid through the entire range of motion.

Life happens in all planes of motion. You have to train in all three planes - vertical (overhead lifts), horizontal (pushing and pulling) and transverse (rotational). Full movement for full performance and health.


Basic dude stuff.... I love Pat Mac

I'm with ateamer on this one. Nothing has made me feel better as I age as lifting & throwing heavy things. My guilty pleasure though is deadlifting just pulled 315lb for the 1st time in years next stop 405 by July
 
My wife had same result with Pilates. She swears by it now.

100% agree with functional exercises vs isolation movements. Avoid anything with a bench or seat.

The other key is variety. Constant change is good.

(Reminds me of what Hank Williams said when asked what kind of women he liked. But I digress.)

CrossFit was the first system to popularize functional fitness, and move people away from working out like Arnold or marathon runners. The CrossFit recipe is constantly varied functional exercises at high intensity. The intensity part gets a lot of people, especially those over 40ish, so plenty of more reasonable systems have evolved.

I'm a huge believer in exercise. So many things it can prevent or fix.
CrossFit has probably been the source of more "workout" injuries than all other forms combined, lol. Most of that is because of unconventional techniques performed by people who aren't particularly athletic to begin with. Box jumps is a great example, as well as flipping tires, and dragging chains/ropes. People end up doing CrossFit despite not working up to the intensity and end up with a trip to minor emergency or their PCP.
 
CrossFit has probably been the source of more "workout" injuries than all other forms combined, lol. Most of that is because of unconventional techniques performed by people who aren't particularly athletic to begin with. Box jumps is a great example, as well as flipping tires, and dragging chains/ropes. People end up doing CrossFit despite not working up to the intensity and end up with a trip to minor emergency or their PCP.
Plus doing things like high reps with Olympic lifts. Olympic lifters don’t do more than two or three reps with explosive lifts, especially overhead. Snatches especially are very technical, and a small error in form can injure. And it’s on high reps where form degrades. Keep the reps low for things with high injury potential like snatches, cleans and deadlifts.

Another common issue with Cro$$fit is inexperienced trainers. They call themselves coaches, but many of them only have a couple years’ experience and bought their certification at a weekend seminar. They don’t have the firsthand experience to properly coach lifts, detect and correct technique errors, and design training programs for the individual. There are very qualified Crossfit trainers, but nowhere near enough to negate the incompetent ones, nor do they have enough influence to get them to withdraw until they level up, or force the organization to remove them. Hint: Any “coach” who takes pride in pushing his trainees so hard that a puke bucket is as much a part of the gym as a barbell is an idiot.
 
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