[NA] IOS 13.7

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  1. Let'sgoflying!

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    I accidentally downloaded it, this is the one that allows contact tracking*- could they have used ‘allows’ when it is more active than that? Because I have not seen an option to turn it off (or on).

    (*I think their term is purposefully...gentler)
     
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    Look under settings > exposure notifications.

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    Is there an option under privacy->health?
     
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    It’s supposed to be opt-in, should be off unless you turn it on.
     
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    There certainly is no opt in/out for 13.7; you are going to load it.
     
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    I think he mean the exposure notifications.
     
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    You have to specify your state, and my state is not enabled. I cannot find a list of states that are.
     
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    Notifications (receiving an alert from an agency) is not the same as contact tracing (automagically exchanging information with other smartphones)
     
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    Pretty sure that you need to upload a specific app for your locality to participate in contact tracing. I think all these things are in preparation.
     
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    The ability to do contact tracing (not tracking) is theoretically there starting with iOS 13.5.

    It's part of the OS, but is not enabled by default. It's also part of newer Android versions - Google and Apple worked on this together.

    Now, let me tell you: PLEASE turn it ON.

    It does NOT "track" you. It does not use location at all. It uses Bluetooth LE and exchanges codes with other phones that get a strong enough signal for long enough that it's likely you were within 6 feet for longer than 15 seconds (IIRC). Your random code automatically expires within 15 minutes and a new one is generated so that even if someone were purposely listening and trying to track you that way, it wouldn't work.

    If you get COVID, AND your state has a contact tracing app that uses the Apple/Google COVID API, you'll get a passcode from your health authority that you put into the app to verify that you got COVID, and at that point your list of codes is uploaded and bounced to all of the other users, and their phone checks your codes against the ones they've come into contact with in the last two weeks. If there's a match, it'll alert you.

    There is NO tracking of location and no personally identifying information, and the list of codes of other devices you've come into contact with is not sent off of your device unless and until you get COVID.

    It's the best possible combination of technology to make contact tracing more viable and more accurate while not violating anyone's privacy. So PLEASE don't just turn it off, and please DO download your state's app if they develop one, *IF* they use the Apple/Google API. DO give it access to Bluetooth or it won't work. Do NOT give it access to your location, contacts, or any other information (and raise a stink if it even asks, because it shouldn't).

    Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be widely adopted in the US. We're too scared of Big Brother and we don't like doing our homework on this stuff, so we'll take it as an affront to our freedom and not use it, which makes it pretty useless. We'd rather kill each other. :(
     
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    Dave's not here anymore.
    This is his wife.
    Black helos came last night and took him away at gunpoint, after he turned it on.
    I have two airplanes for sale, cheap.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation, Kent
     
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    If you carry an iPhone you were being tracking already.
     
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    This ^^^^^
     
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    If you carry ANY smartphone you were being tracked already. Apple is better with the privacy stuff than Google, though.
     
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    All you can turn off is the notifications for covid tracking. Settings-exposure notifications.
     
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    turn off bluetooth and contact tracing will be a little challenging.
     
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    Sounds neat. How do I turn that off?
     
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    It is off by default.
     
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    Good. Thanks for the info. Didn’t know about this feature.
     
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    When all this covid-19 panic crap is over, will Apple, Google, et al remove the contact tracing functionality from their "smart" devices?
     
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    LOL That's a good one!
     
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    I can see the benefit of contact tracing far beyond Covid 19.

    Think about E. coli outbreaks, or food poisoning traced back to a single restaurant. How many people now get violently ill before anyone manages to connect the dots? The ability to rapidly identify a single Arby’s in Sacramento as the source of contamination could be invaluable and save lives.

    Already the makers of cloud-linked thermometers can map out where body temperatures are higher than baseline and identify possible flu or Covid 19 outbreaks. With more and more wearables tracking more and more vital functions, this ability to identify disease outbreaks and vectors will only improve. As long as one can opt out, I think contact tracing is an overall good thing.
     
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    As an aside, I updated to iOS 14 last night. Here’s the related screen in Settings:

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    I just opted in. However, when I show my region as Tennessee, USA, I’m told “EXPOSURE NOTIFICATIONS ARE NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE - Exposure Notifications have not been turned on for your region by your public health authority.”
     
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    Exactly. The world has changed. We are now too scared to live like we used to. The scare will not pass, people will bore of Covid And latch on to a new thing to be scared of.
     
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    But the way the contact tracing works, the "single Arby's" would be needing to run a bluetooth beacon of some sort. For them to trace that sort of outbreak to a particular *location* would require it to be *location* tracking, not contact tracing.

    In addition, the cloud thermometers are a thing where you are knowingly using and sharing your *location*. Again, not something that would work with the current Covid contact tracing API.

    I hope that sooner or later Covid is a thing of the past, and that this API is deprecated. I hope we're not up to iOS 40 by then.
     
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    Luckily the ability to infer social networks without user intervention is otherwise of no value.
     
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    Just a nitpick. Software switches aren’t real switches. For any of this stuff or any other stuff in any device.

    Not unless you can read the code and prove it.

    And even then, the likelihood of bugs is incredibly high and grows with each patch, it doesn’t get better. Numerous studies on that one.

    Patching leads to approximately four new bugs for every fix. Software continues to get worse.

    The industry has no real answers for this. Just keep patching...
     
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    understood wrt limitations of software switches

    That varies widely. Some application domains are very good wrt updates (and don't allow any patches... none. zero.). In some domains, if you want to patch some code, it'll be "Bad Dog, no biscuit". In other domains, it's all about some new thing or new that, bugs? we don't care about bugs.
     
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    Yeah. Very few of those “no patch” domains in consumer grade stuff.

    And if anyone really thinks any of the large companies holding the two phone monopolies really care about user privacy, it all ends with a supoena.

    Apple gave the keys to all of the iCloud stuff of the suspected California arsonist to the FBI without batting an eye last week I think it was. Widely reported in tech security news.

    If it’s being tracked and uploaded it’s available to whoever wants it. Doesn’t really matter what app (tracing viruses or just the location data always being sent to the cloud servers), or if it’s an OS built in. Once captured it’s available through legal wrangling easily.

    None of these data gathering companies is putting that ability at risk for anyone suspected of anything. Whether that is arson or a claim you’re a bad bad person out spreading the Covid. Some authority wants the data they’ll hand it over.

    Just like my employer did in the carrier space decades ago. Want direct fiber access and an automated way to send in the legal request? Sure. Done. “We” weren’t going to staff an entire team to read legal docs.

    The smartphone data collectors are now coming around to the same reality. Hand over whatever is asked for, or face penalties.

    The fiber carriers were smart enough to ask for immunity of breaking the law if an agency asked for something illegal. And they got it. Long ago. Be interesting to see what legal immunity deals are struck with the phone makers. It’ll happen.