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wanttaja

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Moved into the new house last month. Decided to see what I could pick up with an over-the-air (OTA) antenna. The answer, not much. All I was looking for was to be able to record the local news and the evening chat shows. Everything else we do via streaming.

Look at Amazon. Hey, here's an outfit advertising an OTA antenna with an amplifier.

Bought it. No increase in performance. The amplifier is powered by a wall wart...and I didn't notice any change in performance with the amplifier powered on or off. In fact, I hooked up a 1947 UHF TV antenna, and got about the same result.

Ok. Package it up, jump through the hoops for the refund, and send it back. Posted a review on Amazon with my results.

Done? Nahh.

Started getting emails from the company. They were sorry I was dissatisfied. They offered to send me an $30 Amazon gift card if I would delete the review.

BTW, $30 is about what I'd paid for the device...and had been already reimbursed by Amazon. Told them I had my money back.

Oh, no, the $30 gift card is in ADDITION to my refund. Just delete the bad review.

Huh. Ignored it after that. But received daily emails, asking if I'd received their offer and would be willing to delete the review.

Finally came back and explained my issues with it. They apologized profusely. They still offered me the gift card if I would delete the review, AND would send me the upgraded version of the antenna due out at the end of the year.

Told them I'd be happy to review the new antenna when it came out, but the review of their current program would hold.

Things were quiet for a couple of weeks. Then I started receiving emails from someone else at the company, asking me to delete the review. This time, they were offering a $60 gift card...twice the cost of the antenna that I'd already received a refund on.

Turned the new guy down again. The response was a bit unexpected....

As a new employee still on probation and a 32-year-old single father, this job holds special meaning for me—it's my first step back to work after becoming a father, and it's crucial for building a better life for my child. To be honest, a negative review could significantly impact my performance evaluation, which is why I'm so eager to resolve this issue properly.

In other words, the company was supposedly going to hold marketing responsible for engineering's failures.

I emailed with how that would mean how crappy was the company he worked for...but that I didn't believe him, anyway.

My email bounced, with a fatal error. Maybe they'd fired the guy that fast, but I suspect more they were just trying to bury their tracks.

The lesson here is, of course, don't take the reviews at face value. Don't know how many companies are doing this, but it certainly would affect the product's score on Amazon.

I'm still curious what the end game was, whether they REALLY expected folks for retract bad reviews for the price of a couple of burgers. I half-suspect they were trying to push me to modify the review so they could claim it violated Amazon's TOS. They can't oppose a negative review, but a negative review including unsubstantiated claims of wrongdoing by the company could get Amazon to delete it.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Interesting experience.

There is a YouTuber called Antenna Man who reviews antennas and keeps tabs on OTA trends; you may find some of his videos helpful.
 
Also, checkout antenna web, tvfool, antenna direct, etc and they will exactly guide you to what antennas are appropriate for your address. You may have purchased a perfectly functioning antenna that can’t help with your location. Or it could be a dud.
 
Interesting experience.

There is a YouTuber called Antenna Man who reviews antennas and keeps tabs on OTA trends; you may find some of his videos helpful.

I recently purchased an OTA antenna that he recommended. Seems to work well ...
 
yes about checking tvfool

It may be that you were using an in-room antenna and it's jyst not high enough. IN my case I get almost nothing with an antenna in my family room, but a boosted one in the attic brings in quite a few channels.
One outside would even be better, but I'm not doing that
 
Moved into the new house last month. Decided to see what I could pick up with an over-the-air (OTA) antenna. The answer, not much. All I was looking for was to be able to record the local news and the evening chat shows. Everything else we do via streaming.

Look at Amazon. Hey, here's an outfit advertising an OTA antenna with an amplifier.

Bought it. No increase in performance. The amplifier is powered by a wall wart...and I didn't notice any change in performance with the amplifier powered on or off. In fact, I hooked up a 1947 UHF TV antenna, and got about the same result.

Ok. Package it up, jump through the hoops for the refund, and send it back. Posted a review on Amazon with my results.

Done? Nahh.

Started getting emails from the company. They were sorry I was dissatisfied. They offered to send me an $30 Amazon gift card if I would delete the review.

BTW, $30 is about what I'd paid for the device...and had been already reimbursed by Amazon. Told them I had my money back.

Oh, no, the $30 gift card is in ADDITION to my refund. Just delete the bad review.

Huh. Ignored it after that. But received daily emails, asking if I'd received their offer and would be willing to delete the review.

Finally came back and explained my issues with it. They apologized profusely. They still offered me the gift card if I would delete the review, AND would send me the upgraded version of the antenna due out at the end of the year.

Told them I'd be happy to review the new antenna when it came out, but the review of their current program would hold.

Things were quiet for a couple of weeks. Then I started receiving emails from someone else at the company, asking me to delete the review. This time, they were offering a $60 gift card...twice the cost of the antenna that I'd already received a refund on.

Turned the new guy down again. The response was a bit unexpected....

As a new employee still on probation and a 32-year-old single father, this job holds special meaning for me—it's my first step back to work after becoming a father, and it's crucial for building a better life for my child. To be honest, a negative review could significantly impact my performance evaluation, which is why I'm so eager to resolve this issue properly.

In other words, the company was supposedly going to hold marketing responsible for engineering's failures.

I emailed with how that would mean how crappy was the company he worked for...but that I didn't believe him, anyway.

My email bounced, with a fatal error. Maybe they'd fired the guy that fast, but I suspect more they were just trying to bury their tracks.

The lesson here is, of course, don't take the reviews at face value. Don't know how many companies are doing this, but it certainly would affect the product's score on Amazon.

I'm still curious what the end game was, whether they REALLY expected folks for retract bad reviews for the price of a couple of burgers. I half-suspect they were trying to push me to modify the review so they could claim it violated Amazon's TOS. They can't oppose a negative review, but a negative review including unsubstantiated claims of wrongdoing by the company could get Amazon to delete it.

Ron Wanttaja
You should edit your review to add this information. And report it to Amazon. I always look at the bad reviews first, and if one of them says they were offered money to take it down, that would be an absolute no-go for me.
 
I have a perspective from the other side. I published two books on Amazon and in general they have received raving positive reviews—one book has been an Amazon #1 Bestseller for five consecutive months and has sold around 3000 copies in 8 months . One or two people, however, gave me a one star rating on both books, no review, just a rating. Especially for a book starting out with few reviews, a negative rating really hurts and one has no recourse, much less an explanation why. If a product is shoddy, by all means rate it negatively, but remember there is a real person on the other end of it. As far as OTA antennas, and easy way to see if they are doing anything is to compare the reception powered off and on I have used two and always saw a marked difference. And as another poster commented, OTA antennas are like real estate: location,location,location. Even with the signal loss of a connector it might pay to connect it to an extension to get it somewhere it can receive the signals.
 
I installed a TV antenna in the attic prior to the switch to broadcast digital. Works perfectly fine for digital channels.
 
I've checked out the Antenna Man and other suggestions from folks. The new house is two-story, and I haven't had better luck with the antenna in the second story. Using the FCC map, we're supposed to be getting a strong signal here, but I don't see any sign of it, even on the second floor. A lot of hills and trees around here, though.

I happen to own a Tricraft UHF TV antenna from 1947; it works as well as the three OTA antennas I bought on Amazon, including two which supposedly have "amplifiers".
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I've debated updating my Amazon review to reflect the experience with the company, but am wondering if the company will claim I'm defaming their employees and use that as an excuse to get Amazon to remove my review entirely.

Ron Wanttaja
 
I thought the digital antennas had to be different from the old analog antennas to get the digital signals.
 
I've checked out the Antenna Man and other suggestions from folks. The new house is two-story, and I haven't had better luck with the antenna in the second story. Using the FCC map, we're supposed to be getting a strong signal here, but I don't see any sign of it, even on the second floor. A lot of hills and trees around here, though.

I happen to own a Tricraft UHF TV antenna from 1947; it works as well as the three OTA antennas I bought on Amazon, including two which supposedly have "amplifiers".
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I've debated updating my Amazon review to reflect the experience with the company, but am wondering if the company will claim I'm defaming their employees and use that as an excuse to get Amazon to remove my review entirely.

Ron Wanttaja
Way cool! There is a Steampunk Fair somewhere missing its antenna.
 
I've checked out the Antenna Man and other suggestions from folks. The new house is two-story, and I haven't had better luck with the antenna in the second story. Using the FCC map, we're supposed to be getting a strong signal here, but I don't see any sign of it, even on the second floor. A lot of hills and trees around here, though.

I happen to own a Tricraft UHF TV antenna from 1947; it works as well as the three OTA antennas I bought on Amazon, including two which supposedly have "amplifiers".
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I've debated updating my Amazon review to reflect the experience with the company, but am wondering if the company will claim I'm defaming their employees and use that as an excuse to get Amazon to remove my review entirely.

Ron Wanttaja
I'm assuming this is a third-party seller, since otherwise the manufacturer shouldn't know how to contact you. Just make your review factual, and Amazon is very unlikely to remove it. Also report the contacts to Amazon. This is not a new problem.

 
Years ago I got an ad flyer for a device to use "proven RF technology" to "pull signals right from the air" without having to resort to cable or satellite fees.
Not new technology but a "tremendous marketing breakthrough!" (It actually said that in the ad).

"Tremendous Marketing Breakthrough" became our code word for crap products for quite a while.
 
Also report the contacts to Amazon. This is not a new problem.

I experienced pretty much the same on eBay. I used Governor Pontius Pilate's line to answer them; "What I have written, I have written."
 
Bribing customers to remove negative reviews has got to be a violation of Amazon's terms of service for sellers.
 
I had a similar experience when giving a factual, but bad review.

They got up to offering a $100 gift card. For a $15 item. But the catch was I had to remove the review, then they would send me the gift card.

Yeap. And I am sure they have some nice bridges for sale and some ocean front property in Arizona. :D
 
I had a similar experience when giving a factual, but bad review.
Same. They really double down on the butthurt when you then factually report how they tried to bribe you to remove the negative review. It's breathtaking; I suggest you try it.
 
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