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this was on the local NBC affiliate's website this morning. This girl can hit!

Last season, Kelly Macnamara tried out for the North Penn High School football team as a kicker. She made it and became the first female to do so in that school's history.

Since then Macnamara has ingrained herself as an important part of the team. Over the weekend, we saw why. On a kick return during North Penn's game over the weekend, Macnamara popped out of nowhere to stop the opposing player's touchdown-bound run with a massive hit. Don't take our word for it, click Kelly's Twitter link to see her video.

7-0⚔️ pic.twitter.com/E0GQonDe2Y

- Kelly Macnamara (@kellmac_) October 9, 2016
 
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That was sweet of him to let her do that.


<sound of me running away!>
 
Damnnnnnn. Girl came outta nowhere!
 
Girls have been allowed in boys wrestling for a while. There have been a couple suicides after the girl best the boy.

She really didn't come out of nowhere, the return play came into her area and she had the angle to make the play.
 
Nobody said bullies make any sense.

Or the weird fascination with our society thinking criticism and crass joking about an extracurricular sport activity is "bullying". Way too many people think sports or whatever are important.

But even within sport, people thinking they won't have their asses handed to them regularly and think they'd always win, is even weirder.

Our society has a weird view of failure. As if it's not how everyone who was the best at something got there. All the heroes just magically were the best overnight, of course.

Two major concepts that probably eluded whoever drove a kid to think suicide was the answer for losing a freaking wrestling match. Give me a freaking break. Even the top ranked wrestler on the planet has lost matches and maybe even been embarrassed by those losses.

Why anyone wouldn't teach a kid that getting your butt handed to you isn't a normal part of the process or that someone might give you crap about it, and it's just a damned sport, is sick.
 
Why anyone wouldn't teach a kid that getting your butt handed to you isn't a normal part of the process or that someone might give you crap about it, and it's just a damned sport, is sick.

I'd rather people teach their kids to get up, brush themselves off and try again, than kick someone when he's down.
 
I'd rather people teach their kids to get up, brush themselves off and try again, than kick someone when he's down.

Well that teaching is what got lost somewhere if someone thinks anyone giving them crap about a football game or a wrestling match is any big deal. Here's a hint: It's a game.
 
Well that teaching is what got lost somewhere if someone thinks anyone giving them crap about a football game or a wrestling match is any big deal. Here's a hint: It's a game.

In a nation that spends a hundred billion of more on sports every year you might be an outlier in terms of thinking sports aren't a big deal.

But, whatever, if it shouldn't be a big deal, then even more reason not to be a dick about it.
 
In a nation that spends a hundred billion of more on sports every year you might be an outlier in terms of thinking sports aren't a big deal.

But, whatever, if it shouldn't be a big deal, then even more reason not to be a dick about it.

Sports require delusions... delusions like "my team" will win, etc. Doesn't make the delusions any less delusional just because a lot of money is spent on it. Includes the delusion that sport at a non-pro level is anything but a competitive pastime.

If one can't handle something like, "You got tackled by a [scrawny guy, girl, tripping over a turtle, whatever]" after a GAME, one doesn't have their brain on straight.

It's like the phrase I've oft had to use to shut people up when a large computer system is malfunctioning for whatever reason and creating unnecessary emotional content and panic-mode in piles of people not qualified to fix, nor capable of fixing the problem...

"If you call this an 'emergency' one more time and there's no one lying on the data center floor bleeding, I'm going to make sure someone starts. A little perspective, please. How about we fix the problem without the unnecessary hysterics?"
 
If one can't handle something like, "You got tackled by a [scrawny guy, girl, tripping over a turtle, whatever]" after a GAME, one doesn't have their brain on straight.

Or: If one can't survive without bullying a kid at his school then one doesn't have their brain on straight.

I will never understand why it's the job of the kid getting picked on to grow a thicker skin instead of the job of the bully to stop being a dick.
 
Part of sports is learning how to deal with adversity, picking yourself up, and moving on. And sometimes adversity is getting knocked on your ass by someone you least expect.
 
"If you call this an 'emergency' one more time and there's no one lying on the data center floor bleeding, I'm going to make sure someone starts. A little perspective, please. How about we fix the problem without the unnecessary hysterics?"

I was supporting an offshore rig in India and had the VP of Finance say they had and accounting emergency. I laughed and left the room...shortly thereafter I was no longer employed by those folks...years later Deepwater Horizon was their rig. I made the correct choice.
 
Or: If one can't survive without bullying a kid at his school then one doesn't have their brain on straight.

I will never understand why it's the job of the kid getting picked on to grow a thicker skin instead of the job of the bully to stop being a dick.

There's a big difference between destructive bullying and joking that someone got tackled in a game, that's why.

The definition of bullying being dragged into every little disagreement or taunt, is a product of social engineering and nannyism.

All humor is based in tragedy. When comedians are avoiding performances at schools because kids can't laugh at anything, it proves the stupidity of making everything a capital crime in everyone's heads, which has gone way overboard.

The poor dears might not even be able to read Shakespeare if they actually studied what his jabs and barbs meant in the context of the day.

Let alone watching the wicked evil comedy of the likes of... Jerry Seinfeld. (Yawn.)

"Methink'st thou art a general offense and every man should beat thee."

Damn bully, that William guy.

"Thou wouldst eat thy dead vomit up, And howl'st to find it."

Pretty well sums up modern partisan politics, no? LOL.
 
I was supporting an offshore rig in India and had the VP of Finance say they had and accounting emergency. I laughed and left the room...shortly thereafter I was no longer employed by those folks...years later Deepwater Horizon was their rig. I made the correct choice.

LOL! That's even funnier knowing that they were the "ultimate beancounters" in that biz when I was in it, a priority above all else including safety culture, at that lovely company.

What's your temperature on the movie? Will it be entertaining fiction, kinda like Sully? Heh. Gonna see it?
 
Think of it this way.

You can make a perfect textbook, 500 mile flight, weaving your way through thunderstorms without a ripple and then bounce the landing. You passengers complain what a terrible flight it was.

You can run the ball back 99 yes, but a girl tackles you on the 1, the guys are going to give you crap.

She made a hell of a play, I'd take her on my team any day. I have played men's league hockey for twenty years. All of the women that played over the years were all solid players who were fun to play with/against.
 
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LOL! That's even funnier knowing that they were the "ultimate beancounters" in that biz when I was in it, a priority above all else including safety culture, at that lovely company.

What's your temperature on the movie? Will it be entertaining fiction, kinda like Sully? Heh. Gonna see it?
I dunno on the movie. I wanna see it....but I knew a couple guys on the rig...one died...the other probably did everything right getting people off but also was a participant in the decisions....maybe just wait for the broadcast or something. I've been around stuff like this...sometimes all you can do is get everyone off the vessel/platform but still I know how the guy thought and his limitations. It colors my feelings on the situation. In other words, I'm way to close to the reality to even grasp that someone ask me whether the movie would be entertaining. It'll be a show. I think they prolly got the special effects right from what I've read and seen. A well blowout is quite impressive up close. Preventing a well control accident is a very satisfying day on the job and no one outside a very small circle knows what you actually did.
 
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I dunno on the movie. I wanna see it....but I knew a couple guys on the rig...one died...the other probably did everything right getting people off but also was a participant in the decisions....maybe just wait for the broadcast or something. I've been around stuff like this...sometimes all you can do is get everyone off the vessel/platform but still I know how the guy thought and his limitations. It colors my feelings on the situation. In other words, I'm way to close to the reality to even grasp that someone ask me whether the movie would be entertaining. It'll be a show. I think they prolly got the special effects right from what I've read and seen. A well blowout is quite impressive up close.

Didn't know you knew anyone on it. That's never any fun. We were all quite down for quite a while in Calif one year, when we lost some guys to a really stupid mistake with a pig and a pipeline and nobody watching a pressure gauge, and we were just the office-weenies scheduling around the shut-down pipe to keep the world running. The folks in the field were mortified. Made for a long couple of months.
 
There's a highschool in Tx. A small school, they play 6 man ball. This year there are only 5 guys signed up to play. So, in order to complete their team, the star Girls volleyball player signed up, made the team, and I guess they are doing ok.
 
I wonder why the same argument for women in combat is not being made for women in professional sports?
 
Wow, this thread took a turn while I was gone today!
 
I wonder why the same argument for women in combat is not being made for women in professional sports?
Because in professional sports, size/strength is at a premium. Unless he's got hidden talents or preternatural speed, a man five and a half feet tall weighing 135 pounds is not going to contribute much to a professional football team. Yet the Army would be happy to take him and train him as a combat soldier.

A woman with the same height/weight could do the soldier job as well, but of course, would be just as inappropriate for a NFL team.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Because in professional sports, size/strength is at a premium. Unless he's got hidden talents or preternatural speed, a man five and a half feet tall weighing 135 pounds is not going to contribute much to a professional football team. Yet the Army would be happy to take him and train him as a combat soldier.

A woman with the same height/weight could do the soldier job as well, but of course, would be just as inappropriate for a NFL team.

Ron Wanttaja
Pretty good answer, but what about MMA? It is divided into size (weight) classes. My question wasn't limited to only football. Every competitive sport I can think of offhand is divided by sex. Why? It's not just size.

There are strength and fitness requirements for combat roles as well. The military in the process of changing those requirements. The truth is that women, regardless of size, are having a difficult time passing them.
 
A girl I know played varsity football here. She's a good kid, who was a classmate of my daughter.

When she was in junior high, she was a lineman, but in high school she didn't grow as big as the boys, as you might imagine, so she became a receiver and defensive back. She was in really good shape, from all the conditioning that high-school football players do, much better shape than my daughter who just did cross country one year. This was a high school with a student body of about 1600. In her senior year, the coach sent her in typically for a few plays each game, and usually she didn't have much to do because it was a running play on the other side of the field, for example. But she did get a tackle once in her senior year, and she was so proud.

It took a lot of courage for her to train and go out for the team, and to play with all the roughness that football has to offer in a big high school. And it took a lot of support from the coaches, too. I was really happy for her.
 
I found this PSA that should help out with all this Bullying.

Yeah, yeah, it's all in good fun. Until it isn't.

30% of kids are bullied.
160,000 kids a day stay home from school because they are being bullied.
Suicide is the cause of death of 4,500 young people a year.
Bullied kids are at up to a 10 times greater risk of suicide.

Your solution is for the kids to man up.
Mine is to educate people not to bully.

The rest of this discussion is semantics.
 
Yeah, yeah, it's all in good fun. Until it isn't.

30% of kids are bullied.
160,000 kids a day stay home from school because they are being bullied.
Suicide is the cause of death of 4,500 young people a year.
Bullied kids are at up to a 10 times greater risk of suicide.

Your solution is for the kids to man up.
Mine is to educate people not to bully.

300,000,000 people peed today in America.

1 posted some unsubstantiated statistics to the internet and pretended to be part of a "cause" and may even start another 5K run for "awareness".

1 read it and knows math. He noticed that a very questionable 160,000 number is a tiny fraction of kids compared to the previously stated 30% number which is huge, showing that the vast majority of kids seem to handle themselves just fine. He also noticed the phrase "10 times more likely" which is always cause for the ******** light to illuminate on his Annunciator Panel until real numbers are checked, to see if it's 10 times zero, or 10 times a tiny fraction, or 10 times the size of the national debt.

There's a new 5K fun run this weekend for Decimal Point Lives Matter!, I hear. There will be a nice little off to the side "Free Speech Zone" for the protestors who like their drama and bad math, down the street and around the corner near the dumpsters.

4,500 is of course, tragic and bad. But it's also statistically way into the noise if your claim is 30% are bullied. Mathematically confirms the lack of correlation and causation without anyone having to work too hard on the numbers when you hand them the evidence to debunk the link.

Humans are pretty tough creatures overall and tend to adapt well to whatever environment they're in, is pretty much what your numbers just proved. And there's a few who don't.

By the way, I suspect your 30% number is insanely low. Met any adults who don't have at least one "bully" story? I'd say it's a lot closer to 100% than 30%.

Many "causes" in society these days tackle the small problems and ignore the big. If you don't believe me, talk to an actuary and see what teenage driving insurance costs vs teenage life insurance. I personally know of 6 dead kids in the last month from two bad teen drivers close enough to the family to know their parent's names.

No problem at all if the small problems are your "thing", just analyze your argument and make it a lot stronger than that statistical mess above. You argued the math that proved it isn't as big a problem as you want it to be. And that's fine too. Crusaders often start from an emotional position, not a rational one. Work on it.

The numbers presented tend toward saying bullying is not the leading cause of teen suicide. You can find a better way to show the correlation if you dig. But you won't be convincing anyone who's had enough stats education and knows how to apply it, with those stats.

As one who was physically slammed into immovable objects in high school regularly by a bully, and who had folks who "tackled" this problem a whole lot differently by explaining that life would smack the idiot upside the head (karma if you will) eventually, while I'd do fine learning to persevere like pretty much every person who ever did anything amazing, I tend to share the same with the discouraged kids.

Hey kids. Guess who's got a decent career, paid off everything he owns in his 40s, flies airplanes for fun, and isn't hopping from marriage to marriage and construction job to construction job because he can't control his temper? Oh yeah. This guy vs his high school bully. (Dude's life is a serious mess. Ran into him years ago and he apologized for his behavior but you could see he'd never really learned anything better.)

"Adapt and persevere, kids. It's what humans do best." Much more intelligent message than, "I'll stop all the bullies for you." Overwhelming force can almost always be beaten with good strategy.
 
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"Adapt and persevere, kids. It's what humans do best." Much more intelligent message than, "I'll stop all the bullies for you." Overwhelming force can almost always be beaten with good strategy.

This! I know people get upset when it's their little one getting bullied, but many people have gotten bullied and ended up fine. There's no perfect answer. Not all people who are bullied will end up with poor self esteem or suicidal; some will, some won't. I think it has more to do with their support network that is hopefully there to show them that it's not the end of the world and there are bigger things in life.

Keeping them from ever getting picked on is a great way to ensure future generations of participant trophies.
 
Humans are pretty tough creatures overall and tend to adapt well to whatever environment they're in, is pretty much what your numbers just proved. And there's a few who don't.

By the way, I suspect your 30% number is insanely low. Met any adults who don't have at least one "bully" story? I'd say it's a lot closer to 100% than 30%.

So, to paraphrase: Bullying is ok, even though probably everyone has been a victim of it. Who cares if half of suicides by young people are because of it, we definitely shouldn't presume to tell bullies to knock that **** off. We should instead shrug our collective shoulders and accept that some kids will die and tons more will be miserable. Doesn't matter, small price to pay to not have to tell people to stop bullying.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-bullying-link-to-child-suicides-1999349.html
 
Pretty good answer, but what about MMA? It is divided into size (weight) classes. My question wasn't limited to only football. Every competitive sport I can think of offhand is divided by sex. Why? It's not just size.

There are strength and fitness requirements for combat roles as well. The military in the process of changing those requirements. The truth is that women, regardless of size, are having a difficult time passing them.
Because a 150 lb man has more muscle than a 150 lb woman, even athletes.
 
Suicide is terrible, but we've created a pathetic wuss society that screams "victim" over the littlest ****.

From where I'm sitting it looks like I'm the only one who thinks bullying is bad and there are at least five people who think it's a-ok. So, excuse me if I don't share your opinion of society. Seems to me that our society is pathetic because it is willing to accept child suicides in order to avoid some scary boogie man of being politically correct and telling bullies to stop being dicks. But, whatever, guess those kids should have just gotten thicker skins. Bunch of *******.
 
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