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Is it true that you have to put your fax number somewhere on the page when you send out faxes?
I am getting a lot of unsolicited faxes lately, often with no fax # on it.
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How about Credit card numbers...removing all but a few numbers from the cc slip: is that an industry standard or a law? (Texas) Refs requested.

Thanks
 
Don Jones said:
Good luck Dave, I ended up changing the phone number to my fax line to eliminate this problem.
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For the last 10 years, I have declined to publish my fax number in any of my publications, and when people call I often decline to give it to them. I have moved everything to email. Scanners are wonderful things. I do keep the fax in service for those times when it's more convenient for me to send out documents. But do I care about putting a PR person through a little more work? Nope.
 
the Fax was invented at iowa state. that nearly ends my knowledge about fax machines.
 
I might unplug it until someone calls and I approve of an incoming fax.
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There is an FBO in southeast Tx that is still putting the full CC# on their customer slips....I thought that was illegal too.
 
When my fax was up and running all unsolicited pieces had an "opt out" number at the bottom. "Opting out" was effective as I received no more faxes from the companies sending the faxes.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
Is it true that you have to put your fax number somewhere on the page when you send out faxes?
I am getting a lot of unsolicited faxes lately, often with no fax # on it.
Refs requested.
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FCC Rules, Part 68.318(d) states:

"(d) Telephone facsimile machines; Identification of the sender of the message. It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States to use a computer or other electronic device to send any message via a telephone facsimile machine unless such person clearly marks, in a margin at the top or bottom of each transmitted page of the message or on the first page of the transmission, the date and time it is sent and an identification of the business, other entity, or individual sending the message and the telephone number of the sending machine or of such business, other entity, or individual. If a facsimile broadcaster demonstrates a high degree of involvement in the sender's facsimile messages, such as supplying the numbers to which a message is sent, that broadcaster's name, under which it is registered to conduct business with the State Corporation Commission (or comparable regulatory authority), must be identified on the facsimile, along with the sender's name. Telephone facsimile machines manufactured on and after December 20, 1992, must clearly mark such identifying information on each transmitted page."

Now, if they're sending these fax messages from outside the US, all bets are off.
 
smigaldi said:
For faxes this is the FCC rules
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/unwantedfaxes.html I do not know what the local e.g. state rules for Texas would be. That is if there are any.
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Oh, and I get the FCC Daily Digest by e-mail every day. There are a number of businesses that get nailed for sending unsolicited fax messages, and the fines can be downright painful. As in I've seen them exceed $1,000,000. :eek:
 
Ken Ibold said:
Anyone besides me still use a thermal paper fax machine?
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Jsut you and the Luddites

My fax machine is also a copier, laser color and B&W printer, scanner, razor, marital aid, wash machine, meat slicer, etc. Ok some of those are not true.

Where does one even buy thermal paper these days?
 
smigaldi said:
Jsut you and the Luddites

My fax machine is also a copier, laser color and B&W printer, scanner, razor, marital aid, wash machine, meat slicer, etc. Ok some of those are not true.

Where does one even buy thermal paper these days?
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Funny, funny. I have an all-in-one, too, but I don't want to run a phone line to it, and plus the older machine will feed multi page docs for outgoing faxes, whereas the all-in-one has to be fed one page at a time.

And thermal paper is still available at office supply stores. I think. I bought a box of 6 rolls 4 years ago and I still have 5 rolls left.
 
Ghery said:
Oh, and I get the FCC Daily Digest by e-mail every day. There are a number of businesses that get nailed for sending unsolicited fax messages, and the fines can be downright painful. As in I've seen them exceed $1,000,000. :eek:
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I wonder the fines ever get paid. There are CANSPAM and no call list laws, too that the scum laugh at. When the rare one gets caught they have to be tracked down at their villa in Costa Rica.

A very few spammers have been arrested and face jail time - mostly for wire fraud and such. I think only a few may hear the jail door close behind them.
 
kevin47881 said:
When my fax was up and running all unsolicited pieces had an "opt out" number at the bottom. "Opting out" was effective as I received no more faxes from the companies sending the faxes.
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I'm sure it's the same as with Spam. When you opt out you give them a verified live number that they can sell to "another" company.

CANSPAM says THAT company can't contact you again. When they hand the address out to the other company, it gets a second bite. Like: You opt out at Land End but the sister companies Sears and K-Mart can have at you.
 
When I worked as a telemarketer for MCI Worldcom, we took the FOD laws very serious.

Any time we faxed info to someone, we were required to file a fax on demand form.

Apparently, MCI had gotten bit a few times.
 
oo, Ghery that was yummy! Thanks. Here is what I will be sending to these people if it happens again:

Date/Time/My name/My business name and fax phone number

Dear sender of the attached fax (or part thereof):
Thank you for sending the unsolicited fax last night. Because of that, I now have hard evidence of your violation of FCC rule part 68.318(d) (included below).
I will be forwarding a copy of this letter and your fax to the FCC using their complaint Form 1088. I suggest you consider discontinuing faxes to this phone number as it merely adds to the available evidence you will have to defend at your FCC violations hearing.
(available for viewing at):
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints_tcpa.html

Out of interest I have researched a few past violation and associated penalties for sending junk faxes, and they are rather impressive! --
(available at this website:)
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/reports/yearthree.html

· Fax.com Inc., August 7 : $5,379,000 forfeiture for sending unsolicited advertisements, commonly known as "junk faxes," in violation of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) and Commission rules.

· 21st Century Fax(es) Ltd., a.k.a. 20th Century Fax(es), January 11 : imposed a $1,107,500 forfeiture for faxing unsolicited advertisements to consumers in violation of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) and Commission rules.

The regulation for your information:
FCC Rules, Part 68.318(d) states:
"(d) Telephone facsimile machines; etc etc, (copy of the rule)
 
tonycondon said:
the Fax was invented at iowa state. that nearly ends my knowledge about fax machines.
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Nope. Some one is pulling your leg with an OWT

Scottish inventor Alexander Bain is often credited with the first fax patent in 1843. He used his knowledge of electric clock pendulums to produce a back-and-forth line-by-line scanning mechanism.
Frederick Bakewell made several improvements on Bain's design and demonstrated the device at the 1851 Great Exhibition in London.
In 1861, the first fax machine, Pantelegraph, was sold by Giovanni Caselli, even before the invention of workable telephones.
As a designer for the Radio Corporation of America (RCA), in 1924, Richard H. Ranger invented the wireless photoradiogram, or transoceanic radio facsimile, the forerunner of today’s "Fax" machines. A photograph of President Calvin Coolidge sent from New York to London on November 29, 1924 became the first photo picture reproduced by transoceanic radio facsimile. Commercial use of Ranger’s product began two years later.
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Source Wiki but I also remember reading the stuff about RCA in a technology managers course I had to take while in the military.
 
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