NA - BBQ Musings

Half Fast said:
BBQ gun update:

I picked up my new custom holster, with matching belt, this morning. If anyone needs any leather work (holsters, belts, saddles, sheaths, whatever) I most highly recommend CJ Brown in Haines City, FL. https://www.brownssaddleshop.com/ CJ's work is superlative (he does the saddle work for the US olympic team), and he's easy to work with. He and I discussed what I wanted, he made some really good suggestions, and he delivered precisely what I ordered. Plus he's fun to talk with; he has a lifetime of great stories.

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The holster is a little snug at the moment so that over time it will stretch and loosen slightly to fit the gun precisely. It has a thumb break retention strap, and a slotted flap in addition to the regular belt strap at CJ's recommendation. That allows me to put the flap slot behind a belt loop and the belt strap in front, thus locking the holster into position. It rides a bit high for better concealment under a jacket or untucked shirt, and has the slight forward cant that I requested.

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I'm very pleased with how it turned out.

Next will be engraving for the gun, but I want to get some more rounds through it first. I'm close to 200 rounds now and the gun is running well, but I want to be sure it won't need to go back to Kimber for work before I have the slide engraved. I picked up an 8-round mag from Wilson Combat (the stock Kimber mag is 7 rounds) and tried it out this week and it worked fine.

I haven't fully made up my mind about engraving yet, but this is what I'm considering for the left side of the slide:

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The right side has less space due to the ejection port, so I'm thinking about a Florida state flag with some scroll work.

I had planned to get a set of burlwood grips made, but now I'm debating with myself. The stock Kimber grips are very pretty wood and it's not really necessary to replace them to have a dressy-looking gun.

Anybody planning a POA barbecue soon?
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Did he make a matching leather bbq sauce bottle holder?
 
That looks awesome, and thanks for the referral, I most definitely still need a proper holster.
 
Very nice holster, but I am actually a bit surprised you didn’t have a bit of tasteful tooling done around the edges, on the hold down strap, and framing the sunshine state circle.
 
Flatiowa said:
Very nice holster, but I am actually a bit surprised you didn’t have a bit of tasteful tooling done around the edges, on the hold down strap, and framing the sunshine state circle.
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I considered it, and if it were a revolver holster I probably would have, and the belt as well. I ultimately decided against it for the 1911, though. It just seemed a little too “cowboy” for that gun.
 
It looks good...and I love the thumb break, if that's what it's called. Anyone that knows better knows that setup is not just decorative by any means.
 
So, 1911 guys, hep a brotha.

My Mk4, Series '70 seems to stovepipe a lot lately. It didn't used to, but a cursory search suggests the following possible causes:

1. Limp wrist. No.

2. Weak extractor "spring" or damaged extractor. That doesn't seem to be the case. It looks, seats and grips normal.

3. Dirty gun. Definitely not, and I recently did a deep clean with the extractor and firing pin removed. BUT, I do have a habit of putting RIG moly paste on the slide rails and barrel, which I'm sure slows slide action somewhat. Maybe not doing that and just going with CLP? It's not stainless, so it doesn't particularly need the RIG lube. I use the RIG for my S&W 639 and the Sig P226. well, and the S&W 39 too, at least on the slide rails since it has an aluminum frame.

4. Weak magazine spring. That could be a possibility. I only have been using the magazine supplied with the pistol and it has a few thousand rounds through it. Of late it isn't working perfectly, locking the slide open after the last shot. It kind of feels weak.

5. Weak recoil spring. I'm not sure how that would affect stovepipe malfunctions. I would think a stronger spring would aggravate the problem.

6. Porting mods? Not happening. If it wasn't a Colt, I might consider it, but a series '70? Not cutting in to it. It's not like it's my personal defense weapon. The P226 is for that.

Maybe I clean off all the RIG and go CLP only, and get a couple new magazines, and see what happens.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
 
Sac Arrow said:
So, 1911 guys, hep a brotha.

My Mk4, Series '70 seems to stovepipe a lot lately. It didn't used to, but a cursory search suggests the following possible causes:

1. Limp wrist. No.


Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Re-evaluate some of your assumptions.
 
Sac Arrow said:
So, 1911 guys, hep a brotha.

My Mk4, Series '70 seems to stovepipe a lot lately. It didn't used to, but a cursory search suggests the following possible causes:

1. Limp wrist. No.

2. Weak extractor "spring" or damaged extractor. That doesn't seem to be the case. It looks, seats and grips normal.

3. Dirty gun. Definitely not, and I recently did a deep clean with the extractor and firing pin removed. BUT, I do have a habit of putting RIG moly paste on the slide rails and barrel, which I'm sure slows slide action somewhat. Maybe not doing that and just going with CLP? It's not stainless, so it doesn't particularly need the RIG lube. I use the RIG for my S&W 639 and the Sig P226. well, and the S&W 39 too, at least on the slide rails since it has an aluminum frame.

4. Weak magazine spring. That could be a possibility. I only have been using the magazine supplied with the pistol and it has a few thousand rounds through it. Of late it isn't working perfectly, locking the slide open after the last shot. It kind of feels weak.

5. Weak recoil spring. I'm not sure how that would affect stovepipe malfunctions. I would think a stronger spring would aggravate the problem.

6. Porting mods? Not happening. If it wasn't a Colt, I might consider it, but a series '70? Not cutting in to it. It's not like it's my personal defense weapon. The P226 is for that.

Maybe I clean off all the RIG and go CLP only, and get a couple new magazines, and see what happens.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Just to rule the extractor out, have you hand-cycled the slide with dummy rounds? If that works just fine, then I'd suspect a magazine spring.
 
Ammo used?

I lean towards all things being equal it’s a mag issue and if it’s a true Colt S70, Chip McCormick makes the best mags.

If the issue follows the mags, it’s either you, the extractor, or the ammo. Unless you Bubba’d the gun.
 
TCABM said:
Ammo used?

I lean towards all things being equal it’s a mag issue and if it’s a true Colt S70, Chip McCormick makes the best mags.

If the issue follows the mags, it’s either you, the extractor, or the ammo. Unless you Bubba’d the gun.
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Let's see, the latest is Federal 230 g ball rounds. I think I ran CCI ball prior with issues. This is a gun I haven't fired since the '80's but recently been bringing it to the range. I used to reload boo coo rounds, using both ball FMJ bullets and cast lead. Stovepipes would happen but rarely.
 
I've been lucky with that, haven't had a problem, although I have gold cups and they do have the ejection port opened a bit. Some things to maybe consider. When the shells do eject, how far do they go? If they're flying 20 feet away, then probably too hot for the spring. Some people like them to basically fall out of the gun, and to me that's too light a load for the spring. Somewhere in between is probably good.

As far as magazine spring, I don't know, but I'd think that would track by where the failure happens. I normally just load 5, and it's never a problem.

As far as limp-wrist goes, for an experienced shooter I think it's more likely to develop a push, and it's easy for even an experienced shooter to have that happen and not notice it. Some people have little diagrams of where your shots string compared to what might be causing it, but people I've known discount those as useless. But having someone swap out a dummy round into a magazine to see what happens when you find it can be eye opening. Dry firing can help with that, and slowing down your shots for a while.

As far as ammo goes, both factory and commercial reloads can be weird or different. I've known a couple of people who either use a gauge or drop each round into the barrel to make sure they're a good fit before a match. Seemed overkill to me, but I reloaded my own and used a light taper crimp on a progressive press, and never had a feed failure...but that's with lead SWC.

Assuming you cleaned the top and bottom of the gun, even little things can change the timing of things as I understand it. I'd also not use anything but a light oil. For me that was break-free, but that was a long time ago and I'm sure there's probably better now.

Best of luck! And if you can figure out how to make a high standard always feed properly, that used to but became unreliable on it's own, I'm all ears.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Let's see, the latest is Federal 230 g ball rounds. I think I ran CCI ball prior with issues. This is a gun I haven't fired since the '80's but recently been bringing it to the range. I used to reload boo coo rounds, using both ball FMJ bullets and cast lead. Stovepipes would happen but rarely.
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So think about how a stovepipe occurs. The slide is opening enough for the extractor to start it’s job, but not finish it. A lot is going on there, to include the nose of the next round popping up to say hi to the feed ramp.

Extractor tension/tuning and mag springs are the mechanical culprits, grip is the HMI failure point. If you’ve ruled out grip, does the problem follow a magazine or does it occur with every magazine?
 
TCABM said:
So think about how a stovepipe occurs. The slide is opening enough for the extractor to start it’s job, but not finish it. A lot is going on there, to include the nose of the next round popping up to say hi to the feed ramp.

Extractor tension/tuning and mag springs are the mechanical culprits, grip is the HMI failure point. If you’ve ruled out grip, does the problem follow a magazine or does it occur with every magazine?
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Don't know yet, I need to pick up a couple mags. I don't really shoot .45 that much. Back when I was active in IPSC, I shot mostly 9mm.
 
Sigh. You would think that standard, 7 round 1911 magazines would be a dime a dozen and lots of them out there.

Not here. I just want two magazines that will fit my standard, full size, 1911. They are hard to find here! I don't get it. I can buy new Kimbers, RIA, Sig, S&W and other .45 ACP pistols new, yet I can't buy magazines???? No, I'm not buying a whole pistol just for the magazine.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Sigh. You would think that standard, 7 round 1911 magazines would be a dime a dozen and lots of them out there.

Not here. I just want two magazines that will fit my standard, full size, 1911. They are hard to find here! I don't get it. I can buy new Kimbers, RIA, Sig, S&W and other .45 ACP pistols new, yet I can't buy magazines???? No, I'm not buying a whole pistol just for the magazine.
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Plenty of mail order sources if none locally. Get the 8 rounders. Chip McCormick redesigned the magazine follower to allow for 8 rounds in a standard-size flush fitting mag. I believe there are other mag producers using that same design now.
 
GaryM said:
Plenty of mail order sources if none locally. Get the 8 rounders. Chip McCormick redesigned the magazine follower to allow for 8 rounds in a standard-size flush fitting mag. I believe there are other mag producers using that same design now.
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I have an 8 rd mag from Wilson Combat that seems to work well.
 
Mine are boring. I think they're all either Colt, Pachmayr, or Mecgar, and all probably 25 years old. I think they're all 7 round, but I've never heard of anyone complaining that the 8's didn't work. Long time ago you could get them from Midway or Brownells and a few other mail order places.

I do like the ones where you can take the bottoms off without tools. I think that's Mecgar. I shot ipsec a couple of times at a local range where the ground is basically just sand. Getting sand out of the mags is a pain, and having the bottoms come off makes it easier and more reliable in my experience. That said, I stopped shooting where I'd be dropping mags in sand, because I'm lazy, and because it kinda just bugged me.
 
Albany Tom said:
That said, I stopped shooting where I'd be dropping mags
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Those type of shooting events just rub me wrong. I grew up target shooting multiple times a week (we had a dedicated 100 yard backstop and shooting range 25 yards from the back door at the farm I grew up on) and I was taught hunting with single shot only guns. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement… if 7 rounds of 45acp haven’t neutralized the threat you have some issues… like why are 8 threats trying to get you and you need to reload? These events seem to be inspired by video games. I get it, it does have its place in training soldiers for combat, but I for one have absolutely no desire for that.
 
Flatiowa said:
Those type of shooting events just rub me wrong. I grew up target shooting multiple times a week (we had a dedicated 100 yard backstop and shooting range 25 yards from the back door at the farm I grew up on) and I was taught hunting with single shot only guns. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement… if 7 rounds of 45acp haven’t neutralized the threat you have some issues… like why are 8 threats trying to get you and you need to reload? These events seem to be inspired by video games. I get it, it does have its place in training soldiers for combat, but I for one have absolutely no desire for that.
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They've been around longer than video games. I did combat IPSC in the early eighties. A lot of the competitors were cops. I do think it is good training for personal defense.

We did the same type of stuff in the military, just not with pistols.
 
Not trying to start conflict by any means, but it seems to me to be more training towards offensive opps than defensive opps. .. and I am (albeit extremely dedicated to) strictly a defensive use of firearms guy.
 
Sac Arrow said:
So, 1911 guys, hep a brotha.

My Mk4, Series '70 seems to stovepipe a lot lately. It didn't used to, but a cursory search suggests the following possible causes:

1. Limp wrist. No.

2. Weak extractor "spring" or damaged extractor. That doesn't seem to be the case. It looks, seats and grips normal.

3. Dirty gun. Definitely not, and I recently did a deep clean with the extractor and firing pin removed. BUT, I do have a habit of putting RIG moly paste on the slide rails and barrel, which I'm sure slows slide action somewhat. Maybe not doing that and just going with CLP? It's not stainless, so it doesn't particularly need the RIG lube. I use the RIG for my S&W 639 and the Sig P226. well, and the S&W 39 too, at least on the slide rails since it has an aluminum frame.

4. Weak magazine spring. That could be a possibility. I only have been using the magazine supplied with the pistol and it has a few thousand rounds through it. Of late it isn't working perfectly, locking the slide open after the last shot. It kind of feels weak.

5. Weak recoil spring. I'm not sure how that would affect stovepipe malfunctions. I would think a stronger spring would aggravate the problem.

6. Porting mods? Not happening. If it wasn't a Colt, I might consider it, but a series '70? Not cutting in to it. It's not like it's my personal defense weapon. The P226 is for that.

Maybe I clean off all the RIG and go CLP only, and get a couple new magazines, and see what happens.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
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I believe The MkIV Series 70 were shipped with the original USGI style magazine with the welded base plate and tapered feed lips. A lot of guys modified these to shoot wad cutters and the shorter hollow points. Those "tuned" feed lips might be the problem. After a couple thousand rounds you might have rounds progressively creeping forward on the follower and not striking the feed ramp consistently.

A quick fix would be to buy some new magazines. I like the Wilson Combat 47D magazines, although 1911 purists will call me a heretic.
 
Flatiowa said:
Those type of shooting events just rub me wrong. I grew up target shooting multiple times a week (we had a dedicated 100 yard backstop and shooting range 25 yards from the back door at the farm I grew up on) and I was taught hunting with single shot only guns. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement… if 7 rounds of 45acp haven’t neutralized the threat you have some issues… like why are 8 threats trying to get you and you need to reload? These events seem to be inspired by video games. I get it, it does have its place in training soldiers for combat, but I for one have absolutely no desire for that.
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I kinda get not liking or being interested in different types of shooting sports, but - also not to get political, I think it's important to recognize and support the different types. I also grew up a bit in the country, and shooting either for fun or hunting was a part of life. Back in those days the JC's sponsored a grade school thing where the kids would learn marksmanship and sportsmanship. The classroom stuff was in the school, and they setup the range in the basement of a church next door. Imagine doing that today... Anyway, at about 11 I was one of the alternates on that team, because the preacher's daughter was a better shot than me. Nope, not making it up.

Fast forward to my 20's, I started shooting pistol, bullseye, and with the help of a good club actually got pretty OK with that. That practice actually led me to become a decent rifle shot...the skills absolutely transfer. But I'd always hear how the bullseye stuff was all unrealistic, so I wanted to try out one of the more "actiony" things, so I borrowed a race rig, used my .45 from what I shot the 2700's with, and while I wasn't great by any stretch, fundamentals are fundamentals, and it was kinda fun.

My point is that other than rightfully picking on people who fly with the wing on the wrong side of the aircraft, it's good to be inclusive of the sports, or we'll be pitted against each other. Not to be preachy, just my 2 cents.

Flatiowa said:
Not trying to start conflict by any means, but it seems to me to be more training towards offensive opps than defensive opps. .. and I am (albeit extremely dedicated to) strictly a defensive use of firearms guy.
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I kinda get that, but to me handguns are pretty much defensive no matter how you slice it, unless you're doing something you really shouldn't be.

Anyway....back to BBQ...I read lately that the BBQ places are in trouble because of the rising cost of beef. Which baffles me, because to me BBQ is ribs, followed by chicken and then sides. Now I know there's always somebody that brings up brisket, but I don't get that. This is probably more controversial than the stuff I wrote above, but I kinda believe that a lot of the violence in this world is related to people not enjoying enough pork ribs. I base my statement partially on the observation that I have never seen an unhappy person with a plate of ribs in front of them.
 
Local county had an execution style shooting of a high ranking drug boss.

The huge funeral was at a large church, and the LEO expectation was that theree would likely be another killing at the church, of an aspiring replacement, by another aspiring candidate.

2 officers were laced at the church, a female inside, and a male at the entraqnce to the parking lot.

An SUV stopped just short of the lot officer, driver got out, fired one shot, killing a man approaching the church.

The driver returned to his SUV, entered, and drove away. The nearby officer emptied his larg3e capacity 9 mm, 16 rounds, I
recall, with no effect to the murderer.

The female came cautiously out of the church, to see what all the noise was about. I no longer recall if she discharged her 9 mm.

No one showed up at a hospital or morgue.

For both hunters an law enforcement, first shot kills are the desired result (Where a murder has taken place in your sight, or the other armed person is pointing at you).

How that many rounds were fired without ANY casualties baffles me.
 
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