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Set in WWII.
I'm pretty sure it went something like this:
CGI artists read the script: "The plane climbs nearly straight up, slowing down as it goes up. At the peak, it stalls, turns to one side. As the nose drops toward the ground, the aircraft speeds up, it recovers from the stall and accelerates toward the protagonist."
CHI artist: "I got you, fam!"

Every time the Yaks go up and do a hammerhead stall, their engines stall, and their props stop. The turn to the side and accelerate towards the ground. The engines start back up & the props spin.
 
Haven't seen the second one yet, but the first was basically a live-action Road Runner cartoon and I expect the second is no different. In the first movie, he's in a C-47 diving at the ground at about a 30 degree angle and he survives (without apparent injury) by bracing his back against the forward cabin bulkhead.

It's called, "suspension of disbelief," and all fiction writers depend on it in one way or the other. Some folks can't do it; I can enjoy what I'm watching while still understanding how stupid it is. The movie "Gravity" is appallingly bad, as far as space physics go, but I was able to unplug that part of my brain and enjoy it. But folks in Honolulu are probably STILL wondering why I was laughing my [biblical beast of burden] off while I watched, "Rambo III"....

Ron Wanttaja
 
Out of everything in the movie, that’s what gets your goat?
 
wanttaja said:
Haven't seen the second one yet, but the first was basically a live-action Road Runner cartoon and I expect the second is no different. In the first movie, he's in a C-47 diving at the ground at about a 30 degree angle and he survives (without apparent injury) by bracing his back against the forward cabin bulkhead.

It's called, "suspension of disbelief," and all fiction writers depend on it in one way or the other. Some folks can't do it; I can enjoy what I'm watching while still understanding how stupid it is. The movie "Gravity" is appallingly bad, as far as space physics go, but I was able to unplug that part of my brain and enjoy it. But folks in Honolulu are probably STILL wondering why I was laughing my [biblical beast of burden] off while I watched, "Rambo III"....

Ron Wanttaja
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I'm good with suspension of disbelief. This is more of a "tell me you don't know anything about aviation without telling me you don't know anything about aviation" kind of thing.
"The plane stalls...ok, so the propeller stops, right?"
 
wanttaja said:
It's called, "suspension of disbelief," and all fiction writers depend on it in one way or the other.
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Suspension of disbelief is easier the less you know about the subject. The more I studied and practiced engineering, the harder it became for me to enjoy sci-fi. I used to like underwater movies before I learned to scuba dive. Auto racing movies sucked after I started racing. And so on....

And I can't seem to stop myself from counting rounds fired during westerns. Back in the late 1800s there sure seemed to be a lot of 8-shooters and triple-barreled shotguns.

Ever notice the Indians' horses in westerns? You can almost always see the outline of a saddle underneath the blanket, and most of the time there are stirrups hanging out from under it.
 
Kiddo's Driver said:
That is the aviation part that got me.
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Sac Arrow said:
Me too.
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But that's true for shows on just about any subject. Doctors complain about medical dramas, journalists complain about shows set in newspapers or TV, car racers complain about movies like "F1," etc.

The author of a book can try to put as much realistic detail into the story as possible, but movies are severely time-limited, and the audience isn't technically oriented. Most of them just aren't going to care, unless it's their ox being gored. The writer needs to create *conflict*, not provide a technical description. You've got ninety minutes.

Fellow space engineering retiree is a strong absolutist when it comes to movies...he utterly refused, for instance, to see "Gravity." I had to twist his arm to get him to see "The Martian," but he ended up pretty pleased. Recently wrote some orbit-ops-related stuff lately, and you're darn TOOTIN' I ran the technical stuff by him.....

Ron "I've never lost an argument of perigee" Wanttaja
 
hey - I can't get beyond the people that confuse geo-synch with geo-stationary (and, yes, I know that none of the SV are actually stationary)
 
wanttaja said:
But that's true for shows on just about any subject. Doctors complain about medical dramas, journalists complain about shows set in newspapers or TV, car racers complain about movies like "F1," etc.

The author of a book can try to put as much realistic detail into the story as possible, but movies are severely time-limited, and the audience isn't technically oriented. Most of them just aren't going to care, unless it's their ox being gored. The writer needs to create *conflict*, not provide a technical description. You've got ninety minutes.

Fellow space engineering retiree is a strong absolutist when it comes to movies...he utterly refused, for instance, to see "Gravity." I had to twist his arm to get him to see "The Martian," but he ended up pretty pleased. Recently wrote some orbit-ops-related stuff lately, and you're darn TOOTIN' I ran the technical stuff by him.....

Ron "I've never lost an argument of perigee" Wanttaja
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For the record, I like Jason Stratham movies for the acting, but the fight scenes tend to get stupid. Same thing with the NCIS television series - they would make you think Navy and Marine involved crimes are investigated by Seal Team Six.
 
Half Fast said:
And I can't seem to stop myself from counting rounds fired during westerns.
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Me too.!!

Half Fast said:
Ever notice the Indians' horses in westerns? You can almost always see the outline of a saddle underneath the blanket, and most of the time there are stirrups hanging out from under it.
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I notice that as well. I also notice the indians. Sometimes they can look very asian.
 
Half Fast said:
And I can't seem to stop myself from counting rounds fired during westerns. Back in the late 1800s there sure seemed to be a lot of 8-shooters and triple-barreled shotguns.

Ever notice the Indians' horses in westerns? You can almost always see the outline of a saddle underneath the blanket, and most of the time there are stirrups hanging out from under it.
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One western had Indians in loincloths riding horses. Noticed some odd moving ripples on their skin on their outside hips as they shifted around. Realized they were wearing skin-colored tighty-whities (tighty brownies) under the loincloths.

Some great YouTube videos on realism in Hollywood westerns...in that there isn't much. Favorite statistic that betwen ~1870 and 1900, there were only three bank holdups.

But if you want to read some REAL western action (cough), check out a German author, Karl May.

www.tshaonline.org

Karl May: The German Author Who Shaped the Image of the American West

Explore the life and works of Karl May, the German writer whose western novels created a lasting image of Texas and the American West in Europe. Discover his adventures, literary contributions, and the impact of his stories.
www.tshaonline.org www.tshaonline.org

Never saw the American west, but wrote a series of best-selling novels set there, about Old Shatterhand and Minnetou. No relation to the facts at all, but he was wildly popular. One of his biggest fans was a guy with a toothbrush mustache and a funny salute.

Even today, they have May-themed Wild West festivals in Germany, and they had a TV miniseries based on the novels not long ago. Plus a series of movies in the '60s, starring Stewart Granger, filmed in Yugoslavia...

Ron Wanttaja
 
gotta love the shooting in westerns. Guys flicking their wrists while shooting... like they are flipping the bullet out of the gun.
 
I watched a movie just last night in which the female protagonist buys a 5-shot S&W revolver… then gets 11 shots out of it at the shooting range. Nice! I want one of those!
 
DaleB said:
I watched a movie just last night in which the female protagonist buys a 5-shot S&W revolver… then gets 11 shots out of it at the shooting range. Nice! I want one of those!
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I'll bet it was a .44 and she loaded it with .22's.

EDIT: OK, so the 11th is still unexplained.
 
wanttaja said:
Some great YouTube videos on realism in Hollywood westerns...in that there isn't much. Favorite statistic that betwen ~1870 and 1900, there were only three bank holdups.
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And only one documented one-on-one duel between gunfighters out on the street...The Hickock-Tutt gunfight in Springfield, MO in 1865.

But I guess if you watch enough episodes of Gunsmoke, you start to believe that such shootouts were an everyday occurrence.
 
GaryM said:
And only one documented one-on-one duel between gunfighters out on the street...The Hickock-Tutt gunfight in Springfield, MO in 1865.

But I guess if you watch enough episodes of Gunsmoke, you start to believe that such shootouts were an everyday occurrence.
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We can’t just blame Hollywood. In the 1870s Palisade Nevada put on fake gunfights as a joke on train passengers coming through. They even used blood from the slaughterhouse.


Ron Wanttaja
 
DaleB said:
I watched a movie just last night in which the female protagonist buys a 5-shot S&W revolver… then gets 11 shots out of it at the shooting range. Nice! I want one of those!
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Maybe it was really a Walch Navy 12 shot revolver... uncommon, but they did exist.
 
DaleB said:
To be fair, you can't make a movie with Zeros bursting into flame and/or crashing into the ocean when all the Zeros had already burst into flame and/or crashed into the ocean. Same reason you need actors to play the part of historical figures; you can't get the real ones any more.
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Nan desu ka? That wasn't really Admiral Yamamoto? :hairraise:

Even when they can, they often don't. Like when Julia Roberts played Erin Brokovitch and Erin Brokovitch played a waitress.
 
asicer said:
Nan desu ka? That wasn't really Admiral Yamamoto? :hairraise:

Even when they can, they often don't. Like when Julia Roberts played Erin Brokovitch and Erin Brokovitch played a waitress.
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Or Tom Hanks playing Jim Lovell, and Jim Lovell playing the captain of the Iwo Jima, the carrier that recovered the Apollo 13 crew.

Although that was an absolutely inspired bit of cameo casting.
 
GaryM said:
Or Tom Hanks playing Jim Lovell, and Jim Lovell playing the captain of the Iwo Jima, the carrier that recovered the Apollo 13 crew.

Although that was an absolutely inspired bit of cameo casting.
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Or Sam Shepard playing Chuck Yeager, and Chuck Yeager offering him a drink in Pancho's.

Ron Wanttaja
 
There were a couple of episodes of Baa Baa Blacksheep where Robert Conrad was playing Pappy Boyington and the real Greg Boyington made cameos as a general.
 
wanttaja said:
Or Sam Shepard playing Chuck Yeager, and Chuck Yeager offering him a drink in Pancho's.
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The waitress played by Erin Brokovitch serving "Erin Brockovitch" (played by Julia Roberts) was named "Julia". It's too bad that they couldn't insert a line that established that Chuck Yeager's character was named "Sam".
 
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