MH370 - what probably happened

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  1. jkgoblue

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    It's a long article but well worth the time to read. SPOILER ALERT!!!!! The Captain and his battle with depression is well documented.

    From the article:

    "There is a strong suspicion among investigators in the aviation and intelligence communities that he was clinically depressed."
     
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    The captain did it theory and most of the evidence supporting it is a few years old. It is by far the most compelling theory. No big news there. Just some additional substantiation that I was unaware of.

    Still the article is well done and provides some interesting side stories such as the guy traveling around looking for debris on beaches all around the Indian Ocean.
     
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    A good article. By William Langewiesche, son of "Stick and Rudder" author Wolfgang Langewiesche.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    Good read, thanks for the post.
     
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    Excellent article.
     
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    Let's say that they were hypoxic and the timing was just right where they were fading out about the time he was able to muster the ability to key the mic and say "good night".

    If a 777 flies along until fuel is spent would it then descend, nose down, rapidly to the ground or establish some sort of natural best glide and descend at a relatively more gentle rate?
     
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    Not an expert, but wouldn’t it maintain its trim speed, and nose down to maintain it? My guess is that would result in a pretty good nose down attitude and resulting high negative vertical airspeed.
     
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    Suicidal depression must be the most horrible thing a person can have, to murder a planeload of innocent passengers without remorse. There have been at least three such air carrier incidents in recent years. How would you guard against it if the pilot appears superficially normal? That's a tough one.
     
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    I personally loved the nonchalance with which the fellow company pilot remarked the normalcy behind banging FAs when on a trip lol. A truism indeed, but one most in the biz would probably preferred he had not remarked so openly while editorializing about the state of the marriage of the mh370 captain. Kinda like the number one rule of fight club. :D
     
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    What goes TDY stays TDY.
     
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    Different culture. While people in the US see that as something abhorrent, the Malaysians don't see it as a big deal.
     
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    I bet the wives see it as a big deal indeed.
     
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    First thing to think about fight club is that it wasn’t a club- it was a very mentally ill individual who steadfastly believed in NOT talking about his deranged illusory behaviors. Sort of applies here, does it not?
     
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    Guessing that the Malaysians are only a few decades behind the US in that attitude. I say this because, years ago, I had an airline pilot boss who openly did the same thing.

    I think 30-40 years ago, women may have not liked it, but they did less about it than they would do now. I'm not just talking about airline pilots...
     
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    Well that behavior is probably far less pronounced in the US now than it used to be since the percentage of FAs that are hot, young, and single has greatly diminished. Besides, what happens between consenting adults is not for others to judge.
     
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    Well, according to CNN...


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    This is just about the second paragraph right?

    Because the first involved some maneuvering after the "good night" which suggests someone was in control the whole time.

    Just seeking clarification... not trying to be a d***.
     
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    well, requiring at least two pilots in the cockpit at all times would be a start but not probably not practical unless each flight has a cockpit crew of three which in itself is also not practical. even if while that may lower the odds it certainly would not lower the odds to zero.
     
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    I’m sure someone, somewhere, wants to blame Boeing for it.
     
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    I thought in ideal conditions with no crosswinds and if rigged to not roll to one side or the other, the plane would start by either overspeeding down in which case its wing lift would eventually overcome its tail down force and cause the nose to start coming up. Eventually it would slow down to where the wing lift would be overcome by the tail down force and it would then start nosing back down. In theory, it should oscillate like this for a while, all while descending. Depending on the altitude when the engine stopped I have no clue if it would ultimately damp the oscillations into a straight line best glide (descent) or would always be oscillating until it hits.

    I am sure in the real world it probably rolls over and enters a descent that would not be like the theoretical one above.

    Or maybe I am totally wrong?
     
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    In the real world the engines would quit at different times. That alone would cause a roll. The aircraft also made turns that had to be commanded from the cockpit.
     
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    About six months ago I found out about the recovered flight plan in the pilot's flight sim which was nearly identical to the final flight path of MH370. They dismissed it as coincidence, but... To me that's far more than coincidence.

    I really wanted to believe that the plane was zombied, but after all we found out, years later, it's sad to think the pilot did it as a suicide run. I didn't know clinical depression would drive someone to kill so many people.

    Early on I was imagining a small explosion from the batteries doing just enough damage to the wiring to have a drastic effect on the plane's systems.

    Anyone have a thought on the little scorch marks on one of the pieces of debris?

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    I’m firmly into the ‘intentional’ camp. There are few explanations where it would disappear from any random malfunction or fire.

    Yeah, the left seater is the most suspect.
     
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    Zaharie Ahmad Shah is one of the greatest mass murderers in history.
     
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    So it wasn't a TIGHAR article? :stirpot:
     
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    Well, maybe some day far in the future more of the wreckage and FDRs will be found. There might be something from the pilot on it. OTOH, I agree with the author that more investigation on land could be profitable.
     
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    "The cockpit voice recorder is a self-erasing two-hour loop, and is likely to contain only the sounds of the final alarms going off". Is this really true? Why does a technically advanced airliner have room for only two hours of audio???
     
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    I will just assume it’s true, but rarely do you really need more than 30 minutes, maybe even 3 minutes. This is an odd duck scenario. One of my original questions which was mostly mocked is why don’t these technically advanced aircraft send a few packets of information every minute or whatever with basic data such as position, altitude and speed. One suggestion offered here was to fill every hull with ping pong balls, which actually isn’t a half bad thought for water landings/crashes.
     
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    I think the digital dat recorders are capable of much more storage.
     
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    Because the crash typically happens at the very end of the tape and only the preceding 2-20 minutes is relevant. Unless...
     
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    A lot of privacy reasons behind why the CVR doesn’t record longer, too.
     
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    They are maybe 50 years behind us in that way. (Remember the book "Coffee, Tea, or Me?")
     
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    Explain.
     
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    Pretty sure there was a compromise between pilots and FAA (CAA)? NTSB? Will try to find it. Pilots didn’t want company or others to use any non-accident related conversations against them.
     
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    Agree or disagree, it is unrealistic to expect humans spending several hours together in a small room to not chit-chat. Every word spoken from my mouth isn’t recorded (and I am an air traffic controller). Either are police officers...surgeons....astronauts....or anyone else’s... Why should we expect airline pilots to record every word out of their mouths while on duty?
     
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    Same reason that a <$500 spotme device will report your position anywhere in the world to anyone who's interested but a multimillion dollar airliner would see that as a cost prohibitive measure.. on most modern jets the in-flight entertainment system is already talking to satellites as are the engines. I'll never understand why including the lat long in that pingback are not just obvious elements to log
     
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    I don't think you've got a good grasp of the cost of development, acquisition, and upkeep of the systems you insist are cheap and easy. For position reporting to be the solution you seem to want, it would have to be on every airplane's MEL - which increases the cost and risk of maintenance considerably. Are you willing to lose your flight because position reporting is down? If so, it seems short-sighted given the extremely low probability of an event that would benefit from it - at which point it's probably no good to you anyway, only your survivors. If not, then you already have the equivalent - it's inop, so you're going anyway.

    IFE and ACARS pay for themselves in revenue and reduced maintenance costs and downtime. SPOT trackers do not.

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