Lycoming: engine must have flown in the last 365 days, but we can't deliver an engine until 2 years later...

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Lycoming:
"Active – The exchange engine core must have accumulated “flight” time and had maintenance performed on it within the past 365 days from the date of its arrival at the Lycoming Engines factory."

Also Lycoming:
"The lead time on a Rebuilt engine is 21 months."

Yes, I'm the same guy putting a New-Old-Stock engine in my plane, but I also have a factory-rebuilt engine on order since May of 2025, due to arrive in February of 2027. Now how the heck do they expect this to work? Time for a phone call.

I guess I could ship the engine to them a year in advance!
 
Per Lycoming:
  • Factory rebuilt (NOT "remanufactured") engine, built from a combination of new parts and used parts that conform (possibly after refurbishment) to new part tolerances. A factory rebuilt engine gets a new serial number but one that identifies it as a rebuilt rather than new engine.
I'd overhaul it myself before I went the re built route and waited damn near 2 years
 
Racerx said:
Per Lycoming:
  • Factory rebuilt (NOT "remanufactured") engine, built from a combination of new parts and used parts that conform (possibly after refurbishment) to new part tolerances. A factory rebuilt engine gets a new serial number but one that identifies it as a rebuilt rather than new engine.
I'd overhaul it myself before I went the re built route and waited damn near 2 years
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I have a new-old-stock engine I’m putting in.
I bought it 4 months after I placed the order.

Not worried about buying the engine. It’s just that lead times are so bad that if you order when your engine dies, the 365 doesn’t overlap well.
I hope they are good with getting my old engine a year early.
 
Kiddo's Driver said:
Lycoming:
"Active – The exchange engine core must have accumulated “flight” time and had maintenance performed on it within the past 365 days from the date of its arrival at the Lycoming Engines factory."

Also Lycoming:
"The lead time on a Rebuilt engine is 21 months."

Yes, I'm the same guy putting a New-Old-Stock engine in my plane, but I also have a factory-rebuilt engine on order since May of 2025, due to arrive in February of 2027. Now how the heck do they expect this to work? Time for a phone call.

I guess I could ship the engine to them a year in advance!
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Do you send the core in before or after you get the rebuilt engine?
 
Lindberg said:
Do you send the core in before or after you get the rebuilt engine?
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Depends on what you are doing. If you are having your particular engine rebuilt, then obviously you have to send it in first. If mine was a first run engine I would do that, but mine has been overhauled twice and has 6,000TT on it.
I'm doing a factory reman, so they normally send the engine to you, and you send your engine back to them in the crate that the rebuilt engine came in. They give you a couple of months after shipping the reman engine to get the old one back to them.
 
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DJTorrente said:
With a 2-year backlog, your delivery position might be worth at least that.

Not saying its right; just saying it is. Sn!t like this is how we cut GenAv PP flying in half from a depressingly low number.
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It is. I'm hearing $3-5K over the deposit is what it is worth. I want the engine, so I'm not selling it. My New-Old-stock engine is exactly that. It may turn out to need an IRAN, but my hope is to get at least enough time out of it to get the reman delivered. I THINK the NOS engine is fine, but I like having a backup plan. Worst case, I end up with an extra engine. There are lots of planes out there that I could buy & upgrade.
 
Kiddo's Driver said:
Non-refundable 20% deposit.
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Given your lead time worth a call to request your deposit back. I’ve had success with that in the past.

Kiddo's Driver said:
I want the engine, so I'm not selling it
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But if you don't want to sell that engine, then be sure you follow the Lycoming preservation process to the Tee and document every step in its logbook. It will lose value if you throw it in the corner and just let it sit. And I highly recommend if you need to return the original shipping crate, to build your own identical crate to store that factory rebuilt engine in until you decide what to do with it.
 
Kiddo's Driver said:
Depends on what you are doing. If you are having your particular engine rebuilt, then obviously you have to send it in first. If mine was a first run engine I would do that, but mine has been overhauled twice and has 6,000TT on it.
I'm doing a factory reman, so they normally send the engine to you, and you send your engine back to them in the crate that the rebuilt engine came in. They give you a couple of months after shipping the reman engine to get the old one back to them.
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So then I guess they expect you to keep flying until you get the rebuild. Presumably if your engine was unairworthy, then you're not eligible for this program and 2) you wouldn't want to wait two years anyway.
 
Bell206 said:
Given your lead time worth a call to request your deposit back. I’ve had success with that in the past.


But if you don't want to sell that engine, then be sure you follow the Lycoming preservation process to the Tee and document every step in its logbook. It will lose value if you throw it in the corner and just let it sit. And I highly recommend if you need to return the original shipping crate, to build your own identical crate to store that factory rebuilt engine in until you decide what to do with it.
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I'm shopping for a gasketed Mil-Surp container that fits the engine. If the NOS engine turns out to be trouble-free, the plan is to buy another plane that needs an engine and put the reman engine into it.
 
Lindberg said:
So then I guess they expect you to keep flying until you get the rebuild. Presumably if your engine was unairworthy, then you're not eligible for this program and 2) you wouldn't want to wait two years anyway.
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In the old days, it wasn't an issue. The "2-year lead time" is a new problem since COVID.
 
Watching this thread on "factory rebuilt" engines... 2yrs.. is crazy... I also heard that ordering a new engine is a 1yr ordeal.
Recently to get a "field overhauled" from a reputable shop has been quoted at 1yr. Has anything changed?

I'm particularly interested in an O-540-B2C5 with the -A1D5 STC. Got one currently over TBO and running strong.

Swallowed a valve and destroyed the case on an O-470-11. Luckily found one completing overhaul at a reputable builder. Got that in the hangar now and swapping the accessories. Should be back in the air soon.
 
For what it is worth I and a couple others got the full core credit on engines that were factory reman swaps even though they had not flown in a couple years. Without hassle or questions even.
 
Kiddo's Driver said:
Didn't private equity buy up Lycoming & Continental?
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No. They're still owned by the same entities for years: Textron and AVIC. It my understanding its a "raw" or unfinished material supply chain issue since covid which caused a number of domestic and international vendors to go belly up. This also affected aluminum sheet supplies, rivets, etc which have seen their prices skyrocket and in some cases their lead times extent. On the helicopter side its even worse as its a much smaller market and in some cases no lead times can be given at all.
 
Dixiebluesky said:
For what it is worth I and a couple others got the full core credit on engines that were factory reman swaps even though they had not flown in a couple years. Without hassle or questions even.
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I suspect that it is something that will be cleared up with a phone call & an email paper trail. They know that it is an issue, I'm sure.
Any luck "buying" parts off of the engine you are turning in? I have one cylinder I would like to keep. 350 hour chrome rebuild. It would be a nice spare.
 
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Kiddo's Driver said:
I suspect that it is something that will be cleared up with a phone call & an email paper trail. They know that it is an issue, I'm sure.
Any luck "buying" parts off of the engine you are turning in? I have one cylinder I would like to keep. 350 hour chrome rebuild. It would be a nice spare.
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Lycoming probably tired of getting back cores that are picked apart and replaced parts with old parts.
 
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