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Saw this in Controller this morning: plane is several hundred thousand under market, then read this: "Great Opportunity On A Clean And Nice Aircraft Located In Hayward, CA. She Presents In Good Condition, Missing Some Of Avionics, But Otherwise Well Equipped. ***Please Note We Were Not Supplied Maintenance Logs Books For This Aircraft. Therefore We Are Unable To Provide Any Current Times On The Airframe, Engine, Or Propeller, Overhaul Dates, Life Limited Component Times, AD Or SB Compliance, Or Inspection Status. We Are Not Able To Comment Current Mechanical Condition, Its Airworthiness Status, Or Ability To Ferry. Hobbs Currently Reads 1323 All Buyers Are Welcome To A Complete Inspection Prior To Purchase*** Inquire Today."
How would one go about "rebuilding" the logs, and who would subject themselves to such a project? The list of ADs and SBs is not long for this model, but without a log entry wouldn't they have to be redone? What mechanic would sign off on this without doing the ADs and SBs themselves? Is this in reality a "parts" airplane?
 
Good luck,you can go to the FAA web site for the 337 s on the aircraft.
 
Highlander46 said:
Saw this in Controller this morning: plane is several hundred thousand under market, then read this: "Great Opportunity On A Clean And Nice Aircraft Located In Hayward, CA. She Presents In Good Condition, Missing Some Of Avionics, But Otherwise Well Equipped. ***Please Note We Were Not Supplied Maintenance Logs Books For This Aircraft. Therefore We Are Unable To Provide Any Current Times On The Airframe, Engine, Or Propeller, Overhaul Dates, Life Limited Component Times, AD Or SB Compliance, Or Inspection Status. We Are Not Able To Comment Current Mechanical Condition, Its Airworthiness Status, Or Ability To Ferry. Hobbs Currently Reads 1323 All Buyers Are Welcome To A Complete Inspection Prior To Purchase*** Inquire Today."
How would one go about "rebuilding" the logs, and who would subject themselves to such a project? The list of ADs and SBs is not long for this model, but without a log entry wouldn't they have to be redone? What mechanic would sign off on this without doing the ADs and SBs themselves? Is this in reality a "parts" airplane?
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Not really, until you prove it is.
When you inspect it and realize it can be restored to airworthy condition. You'd start by buying a new log book and fill in all the pertinent info on the fly lief, and then start the first page as:
"At tach time of 1323 this aircraft was bought with no maintenance records, and was inspected IAW an annual and was found to be in an airworthy condition". (do the whole verbiage for a complete annual sign off)
Then fill in all the ADs that apply and verify that each has been complied with and signed off.
Have the transponder certifications rectify as needed.

It's really not that difficult.
 
Must be a repo man plane where the tatted up goon failed to get the logs from the previous owner.
 
SkyDog58 said:
Must be a repo man plane where the tatted up goon failed to get the logs from the previous owner.
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Very likely, most repos are voluntary and people hand over the logs and everything (it's stupid not to since you are still on the hook for the difference between the financed amount and what they can sell it for), but some people want to make it a confrontational issue. There is a chance that you can buy the logs for a modest price that will likely be worth it considering the cost of rebuilding logs, especially if you are talking a turbine with hard life and cycle limits.
 
Chance that the logbooks and actual times might make it worth less than unknown? :dunno:
 
N747JB said:
Chance that the logbooks and actual times might make it worth less than unknown? :dunno:
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It really depends on the plane. Considering he said that it's priced "several hundred thousand below market" there is a good chance we're talking about a turbine powered machine, and most all of those have a lot of life limited parts, and they will all need to be replaced to get the new logs in order. If that's the case, the plane is likely salvage.
 
Bro, I looked at the plane. That has more hard miles on it than Sister Sara's two mules. The Hobbes has 1323 alright.... Because it rolled over already. Probably several times. Looks like they new it was gonna be repoed and stripped out a G1000 and a 530.

The interior looks about on par with a 1976 Cadilac el dorado. Wood lattice work? Seriously?


There are much finer examples of MU2s for not much more than that pile of trash. Don't even think bout it. It's a parts plane or an experimental at this point.

Highlander46 said:
Saw this in Controller this morning: plane is several hundred thousand under market, then read this: "Great Opportunity On A Clean And Nice Aircraft Located In Hayward, CA. She Presents In Good Condition, Missing Some Of Avionics, But Otherwise Well Equipped. ***Please Note We Were Not Supplied Maintenance Logs Books For This Aircraft. Therefore We Are Unable To Provide Any Current Times On The Airframe, Engine, Or Propeller, Overhaul Dates, Life Limited Component Times, AD Or SB Compliance, Or Inspection Status. We Are Not Able To Comment Current Mechanical Condition, Its Airworthiness Status, Or Ability To Ferry. Hobbs Currently Reads 1323 All Buyers Are Welcome To A Complete Inspection Prior To Purchase*** Inquire Today."
How would one go about "rebuilding" the logs, and who would subject themselves to such a project? The list of ADs and SBs is not long for this model, but without a log entry wouldn't they have to be redone? What mechanic would sign off on this without doing the ADs and SBs themselves? Is this in reality a "parts" airplane?
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The idea is to get someone with limited aircraft knowledge to jump on a great deal! :D
Cheap turbines ain't cheap!

Henning said:
It really depends on the plane. Considering he said that it's priced "several hundred thousand below market" there is a good chance we're talking about a turbine powered machine, and most all of those have a lot of life limited parts, and they will all need to be replaced to get the new logs in order. If that's the case, the plane is likely salvage.
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pigpenracing said:
He said MU2
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He almost said that, which is why I asked. He said an MU-2 was available for the price, but the price is "several hundred thousand below..." So...:dunno: Makes me suspect a King Air, especially since "G-1000 and 530" were removed. No MU-2 ever came with a G1000 that I know of, and it's not a retrofit option, OEM only.
 
Henning said:
He almost said that, which is why I asked. He said an MU-2 was available for the price, but the price is "several hundred thousand below..." So...:dunno: Makes me suspect a King Air, especially since "G-1000 and 530" were removed. No MU-2 ever came with a G1000 that I know of, and it's not a retrofit option, OEM only.
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Here is the listing.

http://www.controller.com/listingsd...MARQUISE/1982-MITSUBISHI-MARQUISE/1391641.htm

Looks like it had a chelton system like this 421.

http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-421C/1979-CESSNA-421C/1355151.htm

http://www.jtatwins.com/uploads/pdfs/Chelton.PDF


"Missing some avionics"? I would run away.
 
Ahh, thanks. Unless I could get hold of the logs, I'm not sure it would be worth taking for free.
 
How convenient. Someone already removed the obsolete chelton stuff.

With some detective work, you could probably find the shop that did the most recent engine maintenance and get all the component times.
 
Note there are some things (like certain Macaulay props) that have a definite time in service limit. If you can't prove time in service, you have to replace those.
 
No log books? No way to full determine airworthiness and general condition? Make the purchase contingent on items found in a fresh annual. Make the seller split the cost with you. if they balk, then forget it....
 
d5by5 said:
No log books? No way to full determine airworthiness and general condition? Make the purchase contingent on items found in a fresh annual. Make the seller split the cost with you. if they balk, then forget it....
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Not going to happen again if it's a repo. Banks sell "As Is Where Is".

The way to buy a repo like this is just put in your offer, with a detailed explanation of your valuation which if it was me would basically be the scrap value of the materials less the labor cost to scrap it. Then resubmit it every 6 months the plane remains there. After a couple of years of custodial costs, they'll finally give it to you for that.
 
flyingron said:
Note there are some things (like certain Macaulay props) that have a definite time in service limit. If you can't prove time in service, you have to replace those.
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This plane has the 4-blade prop. They have an AD that requires periodic NDT. If you can find the shop that did the last inspection (there are only a few), you can get a record of the TIS at the time of inspection.
 
ahkahn said:
Looking at the pics it looks like a G500 was removed.
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With the panel already re-cut, sliding another G600 and a couple of GNS650s in there would only be a question of writing a check for about 50k :)

That's the aviation equivalent of stealing the air-conditioners from a foreclosed home.
 
weilke said:
With the panel already re-cut, sliding another G600 and a couple of GNS650s in there would only be a question of writing a check for about 50k :)

That's the aviation equivalent of stealing the air-conditioners from a foreclosed home.
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Maybe the air conditioners and all the appliances! :D
 
N747JB said:
Maybe the air conditioners and all the appliances! :D
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Again, stealing the air-conditioners from a forclosure is nice if you cut the pipes right at the units and don't rip out the copper with it. That way, the buyer of the property can buy up to date units.
 
Guys, thanks for all the replies. Don't worry: I was not thinking of pulling the trigger on this plane, was just trying to understand why everyone wasn't running away screaming. I apologize for not mentioning the type in my original post: a 182 would be a different situation entirely.

Eggman, thank you for the Chelton brochure pdf. A walk down Memory Lane. "Highway-in-the-Sky"! and Meigs Field.

Unit 74: Haven't heard that reference to that Eastwood movie in a long time!
 
weilke said:
Again, stealing the air-conditioners from a forclosure is nice if you cut the pipes right at the units and don't rip out the copper with it. That way, the buyer of the property can buy up to date units.
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But, that's not the way thieves work! :mad2: They will tear the dash out of a car to get a radio, then CUT the wires just past the plug that they could have easily unplugged. They get $100 for a stolen nav radio, and I get a $2500 repair bill! :mad2::mad2:
 
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