Looking for an RV? Tom Berge is Your Man!

Jay Honeck

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(I posted this originally on Van's Air force, but now realize that I was preaching to the choir. They all know Tom! Therefore, I'm reposting it here, since there may be people on POA like me who wanted an RV, but were not experienced homebuilders and did not know where to begin.)

As many of you know, Mary and I have been searching for an RV-8A since last winter. Somewhere along the way, someone -- methinks this group's very own GEICO -- recommended that we hire Tom Berge, of Minneapolis, to help us evaluate an aircraft we were looking at in Minnesota. (We were long-term aircraft owners and pilots, but new to the homebuilt world.)

That went extremely well. Although we did not buy that first aircraft, Tom was extraordinarily helpful, and his RV expertise was in evidence from start to finish.

Since then, Tom has helped us in a thousand different ways, and I wanted to give him a big thumb's up recommendation here on Pilots of America. He is truly a "one stop shopping experience", helping us with initial evaluation (looking at photos on the internet, specifications, etc.), physical evaluation (prebuy inspections), test flying, purchasing, modifications, delivery, AND transition training!

And, I'm glad to report: Success! Tom spent the last four days with us in Texas, teaching us how to fly our amazing new (to us) RV-8A! Earlier today we delivered Tom to the big airport in Corpus Christi, where he rode the executive mail tube back to his home in Minnesota.

Before THAT, however, Tom helped us to find our new plane in Vermont, where he spent a couple of days working helping us work with the seller and evaluating the plane from stem to stern, top to bottom. After we decided to buy it, he helped with the transaction from start to finish -- and then flew the plane back to his home base in Crystal, MN, where he spent a week making modifications to it so that Mary could fly it.

These mods included installing quick-adjustable rudder pedals, which made it possible for my, er, "height challenged" (5' tall, in heels) wife to reach the rudders, while still allowing the plane to work with my 6' frame. Then, because we're both pilots and didn't want to feel helpless in the back cockpit, we had Tom install a back-seat throttle, and rudder pedals.

Then, the "while we're at its" started. As long as it was all apart, we had one of the TruTrack autopilot servos rebuilt, cuz the altitude hold "null zone" was non-existent. (It kept saying either "trim up", or "trim down". It was never "happy" -- now it is.) Tom also installed a baggage door arm that holds the door up nicely. And we had the plane annualed. And we installed the aftermarket front axle.

The list seemed never-ending, but with Tom's help each modification was carefully weighed for cost and benefit, and done quickly, efficiently, and correctly.

The fuel tank pick up tube service bulletin had not been complied with. Tom fixed that -- a real job. He replaced most of the phillips screws in the airplane with stainless steel Torx and Allen screws, making future disassembly/assembly SO much easier.

And then, finally...it was done, and time to deliver the plane to our island off the coast of Texas. That was a fun flight, dodging weather all the way from MN to TX.

Then the fun REALLY began! Transition training.

Mary and I are not inexperienced pilots -- we've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for two decades -- but it's always been in spam cans. Cherokees, mostly, but with a sprinkling of rental Cessnas and our beloved old Ercoupe. Needless to say, transitioning to the little RV-8 was fun and exciting, as we went from a waffling old mini-van (the Piper Pathfinder, with an O-540 out front) to a little fighter plane!

In retrospect, both of us agree that, of all the CFIs we've known and worked with, Tom is by far the best. With Mary, especially, he knew what to say, and when to say it, to make her feel at ease in the plane -- a plane she was nervous about flying from the get-go. He was patient, and very, very knowledgeable. Because of his excellent training, I feel competent and ready to fly our new airplane anywhere -- and so does Mary.

Better yet, he spent his last few hours with us teaching me how to perform basic maintenance on the plane. We've always done everything the law would allow us to do to our certificated planes, so I'm no stranger to grease and tools, but the RV is a whole new world. Tom patiently demonstrated how everything went together (and came apart), so that we are now happily ready to perform oil changes, brake jobs, etc., without fear of screwing up too badly!

In the end, the best part is that he's become a trusted friend. Tom is just an all around good guy, whom I trusted implicitly from the moment I spoke with him on the phone. We never had a contract, and, in fact, I never met him in-person until he delivered our plane -- yet he flawlessly performed complex evaluation and delivery procedures thoroughly and on-time.

He is truly one of the good guys in aviation, and I can HIGHLY recommend his services. :)

Now...here's a picture of our pretty new bird, in her temporary quarters. (Until we sell our Cherokee Pathfinder.) We've christened her "Amelia", and you will soon see her at a fly-in near you!

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Sure looks sweet! And fast. Does it have air conditioning? Congratulations on finding it.

I assume Tom handles other types of aircraft besides RVs?
 
That is one beautiful RV-8a.

I would have been more than willing to help do a pre buy on any RV, but there are guys who specialize in different models with far more experience and and knowledge. I always defer to someone with more experience and Tom Berge is certainly one of the best, but like to tag along because I always learn something.
 
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I met Tom when I was first considering building an RV. He graciously took me for a $100 hamburger run in his lovely (Red!) RV-6. That was 15 years ago. Last fall he assisted one of my newly-minted private pilot students in finding, acquiring, modifying and transition-training into a very nice RV-9. He couldn't be happier and also sings Tom's praises.
 
Sure looks sweet! And fast. Does it have air conditioning? Congratulations on finding it.

I assume Tom handles other types of aircraft besides RVs?

Thanks! Mary and I just returned from our first flight together. Playing in the skies over the uninhabited island North of here, I saw 213 mph and 3000+ FPM climb rates.

It is...astounding...after 20 years of spam can flying.
:D

As far as I know, Tom only handles RVs.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3...
 
Thanks for posting this, Jay. I've been following your journey with interest. I've joined a building EAA chapter to learn more about home builts, but my reality is like yours - I would never have the time to build.

So, while I sat in RVs at AirVenture, I never considered them accessible to me. now you've shown a path that I never considered.

Did you find the RV in Vermont, or did Tom somehow know of an RV for sale through his contacts?
 
I'm looking for an Airstream or Winnebago...
 
Thanks for posting this, Jay. I've been following your journey with interest. I've joined a building EAA chapter to learn more about home builts, but my reality is like yours - I would never have the time to build.

So, while I sat in RVs at AirVenture, I never considered them accessible to me. now you've shown a path that I never considered.

Did you find the RV in Vermont, or did Tom somehow know of an RV for sale through his contacts?

I found the plane, Tom took it from there.
 
What a fabulous looking airplane. Congratulations!

I must admit, my next airplane may well have to be an RV too! :-)

Cheers
 
What a fabulous looking airplane. Congratulations!

I must admit, my next airplane may well have to be an RV too! :-)

Cheers

I now have a whopping nine hours in the -8A, and have been most pleased.

Three things have surprised me:

1. High performance planes are actually EASIER to fly than underpowered spam cans.

2. The RV-8A is easier to land than a Cherokee -- once you've been taught the proper technique.

3. The RV lands VERY short.

This plane has such improved handling and power-to-weight characteristics that it's just a dream to fly. Example: You're flying along at 3500', and out of the summer haze emerges a stripe of scattered clouds ahead. They extend from just below your altitude, to perhaps 5000'. What do you do?

In a Piper/Cessna/Beech/whatever, you descend into the hot, humid, bumpy air beneath the clouds. In the RV, you apply back pressure and climb at over 3000 FPM, effortlessly topping the clouds. The high performance gives you more options, which is terrific.

And landing? It is remarkably easy to grease this thing on. The approach is different -- much more lawn-dartish, basically flying down final with a slight nose down attitude, aiming right at the numbers -- but the round-out to land makes for a very satisfying landing.

Most surprising, however, is how short it lands. I expected it to be a floater, hard to slow down -- and it's just the opposite.

On my first landing while transition training, when I made the first turn, I was mentally high-fiving myself. Man, I thought I was the ace of the base. Only after 15 more landings did I realize that I ALWAYS made the first turn.

I can do the same in my Pathfinder, but it takes conscious effort and a slower approach. The RV is so much lighter that it bleeds off energy much more quickly. As a result, you simply stop faster, without applying brakes.

I was not expecting this, and it has been a VERY pleasant surprise. :D

To all of you guys watching this, wondering if straying off the certified path is for you, I can say that this has been a spectacular -- and really easy -- experience. The -8A is everything I hoped it would be, and more.
 
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Great, now you sound like Kent with all of his iCrap.
 
What a refreshing post. So often people post complaining about so and so, or such and such and others pile on. It's great to read about someone who obviously is the kind of person you'd love to work with. Nice.

And that plane is gorgeous. I don't have to tell you to have fun, I know you are already. :D
 
3. The RV lands VERY short.

High wing loading, little glide. Stubby little wings being powered by a huge engine. I bet the engine in your RV is the same one in my Cherokee. Same power, less airplane.

Only problem is if the mill goes out you won't glide far. The one and only thing I don't like about RVs. True about the PA-28 as well, just a little bit less so.

Enjoy. Look forward to seeing it at the show.
 
High wing loading, little glide. Stubby little wings being powered by a huge engine. I bet the engine in your RV is the same one in my Cherokee. Same power, less airplane.

Only problem is if the mill goes out you won't glide far. The one and only thing I don't like about RVs. True about the PA-28 as well, just a little bit less so.

Enjoy. Look forward to seeing it at the show.

Do you pass along bad info, or just make this stuff up?

Glide ratio on RVs are pretty much the same as the rest of the fleet.
 
Were you basing that on feel or actual numbers?

I've got some real world numbers to share, since I've been practicing a lot in the -8A.

Power off, at best glide, I will lose ~900' on every 360 degree circle. What this translates to, obviously, is that you lose ~450' on a power off 180-degree turn.

So, it's pretty easy math, in an emergency. Just remember 1000' per circle, 500' per turn around (I add a bit because the engine is still making power at idle that won't be there in a real engine failure). I was able to nail a spot landing, power off, from 6500' using these numbers.

The -8 actually glides pretty well, not much different than the Pathfinder with full fuel. Of course, that's not great, either, but the important thing is to know the descent rate so you can decide where to put 'er down.
 
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