Hi all,
Have a question about logging flight time. Until now, Ive been keeping a exclusive separate columns in my log for "Flight Training" and "PIC" such that my "Flight Training" + "PIC" columns equal "Total Flight Time"
Lately, Ive had an instructor signing off on my logs for a club checkout (not training but club mandated flight time with an instructor to various airports for insurance reasons) and using both columns. I have been using the opportunity to get some flight training on different aircraft (Hi-Perf sign off, low-wing intro, complex intro) and I have no problem attributing that time to flight training however, the club has required cross countries to Catalina and Big Bear for insurance purposes and the unique challenges those airports present.
I did the first checkout to Catalina in a Hi-Perf C182 (already was endorsed and cleared to fly it on a previous check) and am planning to do the second checkout to Big Bear in a PA-28 Cherokee (again already cleared to fly on a previous check). I was looking at my log and noticed my instructor listed the time to Catalina as flight training, PIC and XC and based on the experience so far, I expect the instructor will do the same for Big Bear.
Seeing as how that trip was an airport specific check ride, I feel the time should be treated as a check ride and logged as PIC, XC only. I suppose there was some airport specific training involved but not to the extent the entire flight would be logged as a training flight.
Im trying to keep a clean log book (to the extent that that is possible) and also trying to build up to the 50 hrs PIC/XC (no Training/XC) time required for Instrument ratings.
Having it logged as Dual/PIC/XC not only throws off the organization of my book but I feel it will also unfairly remove close to 5 hours of XC time from inclusion in my IFR rating.
This isnt the first instructor/club checkout that I have had logged this way... A few days after getting my ticket punched, I went flying while visiting family and the instructor logged the Club checkout as Training and PIC.
Its only a few hours and in the end it probably wont mean much but as I said, Im trying to keep an orderly log book for as long as I can and this has really thrown it off.
My PPL checkride, BFR checkride and several other club checkouts were all logged solely as PIC time by other instructors so am I wrong to think the club checkouts should fall under the PIC category and not be logged as instructional time? How do you log your time in these scenarios?
Along a similar line of question, the instructor and I took a flight down the coast and into the SAN/NKX Bravo & NZY Delta. This one is even more of a toss up in my mind because the instructor did provide instruction on how to get through the bravo and provide the best sightseeing tour to my passengers by transiting the Bay and which transitions to request from Lindbergh/North Island towers but it was more of a familiarization with the airspace flight than an actual instructional one as I could have made that flight without the instructor. How would you log that flight?
Have a question about logging flight time. Until now, Ive been keeping a exclusive separate columns in my log for "Flight Training" and "PIC" such that my "Flight Training" + "PIC" columns equal "Total Flight Time"
Lately, Ive had an instructor signing off on my logs for a club checkout (not training but club mandated flight time with an instructor to various airports for insurance reasons) and using both columns. I have been using the opportunity to get some flight training on different aircraft (Hi-Perf sign off, low-wing intro, complex intro) and I have no problem attributing that time to flight training however, the club has required cross countries to Catalina and Big Bear for insurance purposes and the unique challenges those airports present.
I did the first checkout to Catalina in a Hi-Perf C182 (already was endorsed and cleared to fly it on a previous check) and am planning to do the second checkout to Big Bear in a PA-28 Cherokee (again already cleared to fly on a previous check). I was looking at my log and noticed my instructor listed the time to Catalina as flight training, PIC and XC and based on the experience so far, I expect the instructor will do the same for Big Bear.
Seeing as how that trip was an airport specific check ride, I feel the time should be treated as a check ride and logged as PIC, XC only. I suppose there was some airport specific training involved but not to the extent the entire flight would be logged as a training flight.
Im trying to keep a clean log book (to the extent that that is possible) and also trying to build up to the 50 hrs PIC/XC (no Training/XC) time required for Instrument ratings.
Having it logged as Dual/PIC/XC not only throws off the organization of my book but I feel it will also unfairly remove close to 5 hours of XC time from inclusion in my IFR rating.
This isnt the first instructor/club checkout that I have had logged this way... A few days after getting my ticket punched, I went flying while visiting family and the instructor logged the Club checkout as Training and PIC.
Its only a few hours and in the end it probably wont mean much but as I said, Im trying to keep an orderly log book for as long as I can and this has really thrown it off.
My PPL checkride, BFR checkride and several other club checkouts were all logged solely as PIC time by other instructors so am I wrong to think the club checkouts should fall under the PIC category and not be logged as instructional time? How do you log your time in these scenarios?
Along a similar line of question, the instructor and I took a flight down the coast and into the SAN/NKX Bravo & NZY Delta. This one is even more of a toss up in my mind because the instructor did provide instruction on how to get through the bravo and provide the best sightseeing tour to my passengers by transiting the Bay and which transitions to request from Lindbergh/North Island towers but it was more of a familiarization with the airspace flight than an actual instructional one as I could have made that flight without the instructor. How would you log that flight?
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