Light Plane Down, 2 Dead at KEIK, 10/19/2025

[Ed Haywood]

I’ve never liked the term “time-building.” “Experience-building” would be more appropriate - but simply flying around aimlessly just to log hours and hit some arbitrary milestone strikes me as rather pointless and wasteful exercise.

To be fair, they were building experience with crosswinds.

 

[Warmi]

I’ve never liked the term “time-building.” “Experience-building” would be more appropriate - but simply flying around aimlessly just to log hours and hit some arbitrary milestone strikes me as rather pointless and wasteful exercise.

Thats what I ( and apparently countless other GA pilots ) do all the time … the only difference is that we fly aimlessly for fun and without any arbitrary milestones in mind

 

[murphey]

Checked it out and the program requires 5 hours a day flight time minimum for rental.
My opinion is that 1500 ATP rule was ill advised.

And they fly all hours of the day & night. I'll check FlightAware once in a while (when the dog gets me up at 2am to go out) and there they are, flying between airports in North Colorado to get the hours.

 

[murphey]

Not

Yeah, this seems to be a "race to 1500" while completely missing the point that you're supposed to get a wide variety of experience along the way. I suppose their model gets a lot of simulated instrument in the logbook, since that's how that's how they're getting two people to log PIC simultaneously. Perhaps that's valuable, although doubtless fatiguing for those under the hood. Perhaps if it's a lot of long cross-country flights to various locations?

Not really. They fly between airports in north Colorado. Back and forth. Back and forth. Once in a while, out to Limon or Sidney, NE or even Cheyenne, WY.

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[Caractacus]

I’ve never liked the term “time-building.” “Experience-building” would be more appropriate - but simply flying around aimlessly just to log hours and hit some arbitrary milestone strikes me as rather pointless and wasteful exercise.

Strikes me that they're just repeating the same hours over and over again. They're just logging hours, not actually getting experience.

 

[Ed Haywood]

Harrumph. Darn kids these days.

 

[AvNavCom]

Not really. They fly between airports in north Colorado. Back and forth. Back and forth. Once in a while, out to Limon or Sidney, NE or even Cheyenne, WY.

One of the things I appreciate about the VA aviation ambassador program (which I'm slowly doing just for fun) is that it necessarily makes you go into a range of airports, with varying altitudes, runway lengths, and airspaces. While it's a fairly silly way to get the world's most expensive leather jacket, it is really great for fundamentals of cross-country planning and airmanship.

I wonder if this particular school would be better served by giving the students a list of airports (containing a good variety of experiences and distances) and having them report back once they've finished them all. Surely that would be more fun and better training than droning back and forth between the same airports (which, in fairness, I understand is a reasonable approximation of a regional airline job too).

 

[ETres]

Yeah, like I said, I've never flown in a 912-powered aircraft. My comment about clashing came from one observation at my new home field...An RV-12 had just turned off the runway after landing and was heading down the taxiway. Heard a strange clashing noise, sounding for all the world like a bunch of gears rattling back and forth. Lasted a second or two. Haven't heard it since, on any the RV-12 trainers at my field. Wonder if the student hit the starter button with the engine already turning.

Ron Wanttaja

A 912 sounds "clunky" whenever the idle gets too low (around 13-1400 RPM). Otherwise, it's a very smooth engine.