yes...of course she was part of a crew. That just wasn't the focus, nor interest of my post.
The latter. Occam posits it's the latter. Not complicated either.
Damn near every rule in aviation came about because someone died. This crash will be no different. RIP to the victims.
If operating as Part 135, which is very likely with 9 people on board, there would have been a two man crew mandated for the flight. I'm guessing the female was handling radio while someone else was flying.
Promotion of what? ATC communications are public by the way, anyone can access those. CVP recordings are different.
It is a bit of a coincidence (Avenger system was just deployed there), but you ain't gonna launch in the middle of an urban area without thousands of people hearing it......
True, but I am wondering what rule change could be made to address this incident.
As an aside, I’d be surprised if there weren’t SAMs/MANPADS that accompany the President for years now, and for whatever reason they just made it public.
I have a friend, a girl, who flies a Lear 60 and I can’t get in touch with her. Hoping she’s safe and terrified that she’s not. People don’t think, or care, about how this affects the friends and families. Maybe time to leave social media.
Ugh. I was simply trying to distinguish between whether or not she was presumed to be the one at the controls or narrating as she observed someone else’s struggle to reestablish control. There were some subtle cues that indicated the latter. My observation wasn’t intended as questioning your line of thought as it was clarifying what I heard without having to hear it again. It’s bad enough to have heard it once, yet somehow knowing she was PM makes the perspective we heard even worse (also not intended to minimize anyone else on the plane).yes...of course she was part of a crew. That just wasn't the focus, nor interest of my post.
Occupational hazard of this so-called "format". Don't read more into it. This peanut gallery just runs out of attention span on me if I write in big boy (supra-120 character) sentences and try to cover all bases. I promise I won't peddle my substack on here when I retire.
At any rate, it ought to be self-evident that absence of commentary about the other crewmember isn't to mean I don't acknowlege his existence, the equal value of his life, or his role/contribution to the recovery attempt. I'm merely positing that her narration is more important to me because it's almost always absent on accident sequences. When present, it is very useful/elucidating to the safety/lessons learned angle without having to wait on the gatekeepers at the NTSB to describe the water for me, 2 years too late to be of use. That's all.
Again, condolences to all the affected families.
I’ve been going through some safety podcast recently. A consistent point in icing is that the same amount ice on the stabilizer is more critical than on the wings. Result, a loss of pitch control.
During Trump's first term I landed at MMU once when he was at Bedminster and saw an Avenger parked in the grass near the windsock.
Copy all. I apologize for my misunderstanding of your post.
I haven't.Dear Lord....
I wish I didn't listen to the ATC audio.
I wouldn’t put as traumatizing, and I have listened to many. But I think as pilots we should listen. This is that reality we all face when one little thing can snowball into something bigger, and bigger.
I too found it remarkable she was able to narrate once at the point of no return. An absolutely terrifying moment and still had enough composure to call out vertical speed and bank angle. I doubt I'd be able to even find the ptt switch.
Sad indeed.
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