Lear 35 crash, Scottsdale.

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SCOTTSDALE, AZ (AZFamily) — At least 1 person is dead after a jet crashed into another plane at Scottsdale Airport, sources tell Arizona’s Family.

Around 2:45 p.m., multiple emergency crews responded to reports of an emergency at the airport, near Scottsdale and Thunderbird roads.

According to the FAA, a “Learjet 35A veered off the runway after landing and crashed into a Gulfstream 200 business jet on the ramp.”

“We do not know how many people were on board. The FAA is temporarily pausing flights into the airport,” the agency said in a statement.


Looks like a runway departure into a parked gulfstream 200.
 
I once proclaimed loudly in front of Vince Neil at the Modern Aviation in KBFI that “putting flames on your plane is like naming your dog cyclops or melanoma” Vince Neil failed to heed my warning.
 

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Timbeck2 said:
“Andreani had suffered five broken ribs and multiple pet dogs the women brought aboard the aircraft were safe, sources told the outlet.”…

Hey reporter, write much?
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Journalism is proof that practice does not make perfect.
 
There were reports that the aircraft had landing gear repaired in the last year or so. Certainly losing a leg due to a, um, firm landing could alter the direction in an uncontrollable way.
 
Out of respect for the deceased, I'll refrain from using MC's discography to comment on this accident. But it's there.
 
tlglenn said:
I'm wondering a little about how the other aircraft's future missions have been affected.
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How do you think the other airplane’s future missions have been affected?

I’m guessing that it will be in a hanger for quite a while.
 
Bell206 said:
Depends. Usually at that level its damage to the pressure vessel that determines whether it will be repaired or scrapped.
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I suspect that it’s get towed to the back forty and sits till all the litigation ends. By that time weather and time will of finished it off.
 
Hugh Despenser said:
How do you think the other airplane’s future missions have been affected?

I’m guessing that it will be in a hanger for quite a while.
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Just thinking out loud about the ripple effect. That individual aircraft is out of service. But if it was used for something like an air ambulance service...
 
tlglenn said:
Just thinking out loud about the ripple effect. That individual aircraft is out of service. But if it was used for something like an air ambulance service...
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Could have been down for months due to any number of supply chain issues going on right now. Ever look for a windshield lately?
 
Bell206 said:
Depends. Usually at that level its damage to the pressure vessel that determines whether it will be repaired or scrapped.
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It only "books" at four or five million, depending on engine time, updates, etc. So if parts are difficult to procure, I can see it being written off. In fact, I expect it.
 
bonefishpete said:
I suspect that it’s get towed to the back forty and sits till all the litigation ends.
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In general, most aircraft are released by the NTSB during the preliminary insp to the appropriate individuals. If there is the possibility of legal action most insurance companies will hold onto it for a specific amount of time. Where and in what condition they hold it usually depends on storage and moving logistic costs.

Kenny Phillips said:
It only "books" at four or five million, depending on engine time, updates, etc. So if parts are difficult to procure, I can see it being written off. In fact, I expect it.
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And I probably agree. However, have seen so much variance over the years especially at this level of the food chain nothing surprises me anymore. Once saw them fly out a G3 with a massive scab temp patch on the vert fin and inop landing gear after a tornado hit the airport and landed a 172 on the G4. I was waiting for a couple flatbeds and chainsaw crews to show up instead of a Gulfstream field mx team.
 
Bell206 said:
In general, most aircraft are released by the NTSB during the preliminary insp to the appropriate individuals. If there is the possibility of legal action most insurance companies will hold onto it for a specific amount of time. Where and in what condition they hold it usually depends on storage and moving logistic costs.


And I probably agree. However, have seen so much variance over the years especially at this level of the food chain nothing surprises me anymore. Once saw them fly out a G3 with a massive scab temp patch on the vert fin and inop landing gear after a tornado hit the airport and landed a 172 on the G4. I was waiting for a couple flatbeds and chainsaw crews to show up instead of a Gulfstream field mx team.
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Well, ain't that an Astra Galaxy, for real, instead of a "real" Gulfstream?
IOW, are the IAI craft more likely to be writeoffs?
 
iamtheari said:
Journalism is proof that practice does not make perfect.
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The problem is not the failure of modern journalism, but the fact that they've gutted the editorial supervision.

It starts with the headline stating that two airplanes collided on the runway and goes downhill from there.
 
Timbeck2 said:
“Andreani had suffered five broken ribs and multiple pet dogs the women brought aboard the aircraft were safe, sources told the outlet.”…

Hey reporter, write much?
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Apparently it's an old-timer, accustomed to using the telegraph, where they charge for punctuation.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
Well, ain't that an Astra Galaxy, for real, instead of a "real" Gulfstream?
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I guess it depends on how you define “real.” Gulfstream and IAI continued the line with the 280 which is still produced today. I think how the 280 market influences the 200 market will determine whether it’s a write-off or repairable.
 
Faulty repair to left landing gear following a hard landing last year. Retaining bolt improperly installed, did not pass through/secure trunnion to the trunnion pin.
However many flights since the repair, the trunnion somehow remained on the pin- until it didn't.

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tobnpr said:
Faulty repair to left landing gear following a hard landing last year. Retaining bolt improperly installed, did not pass through/secure trunnion to the trunnion pin.
However many flights since the repair, the trunnion somehow remained on the pin- until it didn't.

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With the mechanic noting that "it took a lot of grease" to fill the huge void caused by the poor assembly.
 
flyingron said:
The problem is not the failure of modern journalism, but the fact that they've gutted the editorial supervision.

It starts with the headline stating that two airplanes collided on the runway and goes downhill from there.
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More than any particular error, the problem is neatly summed up as/by the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect -- people seem to forget how terrible the quality of media reporting is if they are not personally intimately aware of the subject matter or the blatant errors in the reporting ("Wet Streets Cause Rain").
 
tobnpr said:
Faulty repair to left landing gear following a hard landing last year. Retaining bolt improperly installed, did not pass through/secure trunnion to the trunnion pin.
However many flights since the repair, the trunnion somehow remained on the pin- until it didn't.
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That style of connection has caused a lot of headaches in a former life. We had several instances in a single year of torque tubes not being connected, even as an RII task.

We introduced a process that plastic pills must be installed in the shafts where the bolt should go. When the bolts are installed properly, they push the plastic pills out. The pills get inventoried and then signed off.

As far as I know, it hasn’t been an issue since.
 
Bacho said:
We introduced a process that plastic pills must be installed in the shafts where the bolt should go. When the bolts are installed properly, they push the plastic pills out. The pills get inventoried and then signed off.
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Trying to track this...
If the retaining bolt doesn't pass through the hole in the trunnion and is "blocked" by the trunnion- why wouldn't it be proud at the end from which it's inserted indicating this?
 
DJTorrente said:
More than any particular error, the problem is neatly summed up as/by the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect -- people seem to forget how terrible the quality of media reporting is if they are not personally intimately aware of the subject matter or the blatant errors in the reporting ("Wet Streets Cause Rain").
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Lack of critical thinking.

If every story I see, that I know things about is wrong, the proper conclusion is that ALL the stories are equally wrong.

But people get it backwards and assume only the stories that they know about are wrong, and the other are correct.
 
tobnpr said:
Trying to track this...
If the retaining bolt doesn't pass through the hole in the trunnion and is "blocked" by the trunnion- why wouldn't it be proud at the end from which it's inserted indicating this?
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It was, and should’ve been caught. In this particular application, there were a dozen or so torque tubes. There were multiple measurements for how much of the male side of the tube would be exposed.

We had discussed multiple options, such as a go, no go gauge for measuring the relationship of the connection.

Using the plastic pills was not my favorite solution, but it’s worked. It was a good lesson that if something escapes you three times, then changing the process might be a better idea than punishment.
 
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