Lance Armstrong Stripped Of All Titles

I wasn't aware that the USADA was a governmental agency. According to their website, they're not.

http://www.usada.org/about


They are mostly funded from The Office of Drug Control Policy. Just like the National Democratic Institute, and International Republican Institute are not government agencies, but funded by the government to go out around the world and try to influence elections in other countries.

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Not exactly, they have an old sample (actually at this point more than one) of his urine/blood from TdF and other races that tests positive for EPO. Why they could not find this trace years ago - tests for EPO were developed only recently.

Really? Then why aren't they crowing about this evidence instead of the eyewitnesses? What's the chain of custody like for the evidence?

I don't know whether LA took drugs or not. But given how "tainted" that level of cycling (and many other athletic activities) has become, I'm more comfortable with the drug test results than I am with the actions of the USADA.
 
Really? Then why aren't they crowing about this evidence instead of the eyewitnesses?
You clearly missed the whole story swirling around those samples, first they were actually reported by the French ( who have them) press and Armstrong was in some sort of litigation to supress them or to argue their irrelevance, I don't recall details, it was a good 2-4 yrs. ago. I wondered at the time what will ever remain of the controversy, will it ever blow up and it clearly did.
 
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They are mostly funded from The Office of Drug Control Policy. Just like the National Democratic Institute, and International Republican Institute are not government agencies, but funded by the government to go out around the world and try to influence elections in other countries.

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Or like the CIA hires "operatives" rather than assign certain duties to its own agents. Same idea.

In the case of USADA, there is an additional advantage in that they can carry out investigations and impose sanctions (for example, stripping Armstrong of all his wins) without having to bother with petty details like the chain of evidence, due process, right to counsel, and other such quaint relics of fair and impartial jurisprudence.

And they do all of this on our dime because... why was that again?

I suppose in someone's estimate, a terrible wrong has been righted, and the world is a safer place now that Lance Armstrong's wins have been reversed. I suppose it will be even safer when a goon squad of jack-booted feds raid his home before dawn to recover his yellow jerseys.

When that happens, all will be right with the world, and we will all sleep better because of it.

-Rich
 
A weak defense at best. :rolleyes:
Defense of what? The use of tax dollars to pursue Lance Armstrong into retirement? If so, then please show where I said that. I was simply saying that they aren't a federal agency and they don't, as far as I'm aware, have any federally mandated enforcement powers. The US government doesn't empower them to determine athletes' eligibility to compete -- the governing bodies of the individual sports do that. Their power doesn't extend beyond the jurisdiction of those governing bodies... unlike, say, the FAA, a bona fide government agency with rather broad jurisdiction and enforcement powers (to keep this remotely aviation oriented ;)).

How does the American tax payer benifits from these tests? How are we safer, taking care of our needy, or building hiways knowing athletes are drug free?
Apparently the American tax payer wants American athletes to be squeaky clean chemically and is willing to fund an organization to administer the tests to prove it. Like I said, we as a culture worship these "heroes" far and above Nobel prize-winning writers and scientists and even brilliant entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs. I totally and 100% agree that this is a waste of taxpayer money and that the funds should come from the governing bodies -- or the huge profits made by the sponsors. So what to do about it? Write our congresscritters to introduce a bill cutting off funding to the USADA? If it's doable, I'm all for it.
 
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Apparently the American tax payer wants American athletes to be squeaky clean chemically and is willing to fund an organization to administer the tests to prove it. Like I said, we as a culture worship these "heroes" far and above Nobel prize-winning writers and scientists and even brilliant entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs. I totally and 100% agree that this is a waste of taxpayer money and that the funds should come from the governing bodies -- or the huge profits made by the sponsors. So what to do about it? Write our congresscritters to introduce a bill cutting off funding to the USADA? If it's doable, I'm all for it.

I doubt many American taxpayers are aware their tax dollars go to this organization.
 
I expect quite a few that weren't aware before, are now. I would be surprised if anything changes as a result.

How much you want to bet that the revenue for TdF coverage as well as viewership goes down after this? Bike racing will have an audience here smaller than Cricket.
 
Just wondering, I haven't heard much about it: The tests that we hear about - are they testing for the 'presence' of EPO and other things? Or are they testing for a maximum value? There is a big difference.

If some lab went back and tested samples from years ago and the criteria was 'no measurable amount', were they measuring with the capability of the equipment back then?

I used to work for a company that always had problems EPA. During WW-II, there was some heavy manufacturing in that facility, and a lot of stuff was dumped into storm drains. It was considered OK back then, but not now. Eventually, EPA said about those particular chemical compounds, 'there shall be no measurable amount of x, y, and z'. Many dollars of cleanup later, EPA was happy. Until they tested again, some years later, with equipment that was more sensitive that what they'd used prior. More $$$ - and yeah, every generation of test equipment got more sensitive than the last.

I'm just speculating here - If Lance's case is similar, then technically he did pass under the rules at the time (I think those were the words he used). Somebody must have more sensitive equipment now. But still - even if newer tests show the presence of something, is there a limit or is it just 'detectible'? Apparently the USADA claims they 'detected' something, or that some previously administered test did. Unless they were putting all their bets into relying on the testimony of unknown witnesses.
 
Question: Who won the Tour de France in the years 1999 through 2005? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
For those with short memories, the USADA came out of a congressional investigation into doping and Major League Baseball. YEAH what we need is more regulation.....not. oh well.
 
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Question: Who won the Tour de France in the years 1999 through 2005? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?


That French guy, Marquis d' Sade I think....:rofl::rofl::rofl: They just spelled the end of the little interest Americans had in the TdF until they get naked chicks riding it, or at least topless. :idea:May be we could mount machine guns on the bikes, that would make it more interesting than Cricket and almost as interesting as Golf or Baseball.
 
Maybe we could mount machine guns on the bikes, that would make it more interesting than cricket and almost as interesting as golf or baseball.

Actually, spiked wheel hubs (like on Messala's chariot in Ben Hur) would do it.
 
Nah. The WWF openly bills itself these days as an entertainment industry.
Nah. The WWF claims to be what they have always claimed to be... the World Wildlife Fund for Nature.

The rasslin' folks have been WWE -- World Wrestling Entertainment -- for over ten years now.

And no, I have not watched rasslin' since I was in grade school. I could tell is was fake then, and never have found it even a little bit entertaining.
 
For those with short memories, the USADA came out of a congressional investigation into doping and Major League Baseball. YEAH what we need is more regulation.....not. oh well.

Dr. If he was under the limit at the time of the original test how much good would he have done for himself as far as being better than the others.

I'm thinking it would have been insignificant.
 
I expect quite a few that weren't aware before, are now. I would be surprised if anything changes as a result.

Ding. Ding. Ding.

You didn't vote for it, had no expectation of your "representatives" to create it or fund it, and had no idea until now that they did.

"I think, myself, that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. I believe it might be much simplified to the relief of those who maintain it." --Thomas Jefferson to William Ludlow, 1824.
 
Nah. The WWF claims to be what they have always claimed to be... the World Wildlife Fund for Nature.

The rasslin' folks have been WWE -- World Wrestling Entertainment -- for over ten years now.

And no, I have not watched rasslin' since I was in grade school. I could tell is was fake then, and never have found it even a little bit entertaining.

Shhhuuurrreeee.
 
Shhhuuurrreeee.
Dead serious. I put it right alongsside Toddlers & Tiaras and Jerry Springer... just ways in which we plumb the depths of human depravity for profit. We're a lesser society for it.
 
Dead serious. I put it right alongsside Toddlers & Tiaras and Jerry Springer... just ways in which we plumb the depths of human depravity for profit. We're a lesser society for it.
What? You don't like Honey Boo Boo? :D
 
Dead serious. I put it right alongsside Toddlers & Tiaras and Jerry Springer... just ways in which we plumb the depths of human depravity for profit. We're a lesser society for it.

My Cousin's grandmother was a dedicated fan, took us to see rasslin' every time they were in town. I grew up in the heyday in Memphis, Jerry Lawler, Tojo Yammoto, CoCo Beware etc... I grew out of it when I 10 years old... Good times though.
 
What? You don't like Honey Boo Boo? :D
I feel deeply sorry for that poor girl. Her family and the TV producers are assuring her a completely ruined life. The fact that someone is willing to put it on the air diminishes us all, and the fact that there are people willing to watch it makes me wonder if we haven't slid too far into the abyss already to ever recover.
 
No need to wait for it to come to town in St Louis, it lived there. My first photo studio was next to their offices. I took a picture of Andre the Giant holding my Pentax 6x7, the thing looked proportional to his hand like my Nikon FE did in mine. He was pretty cool and nice as can be, too bad he was always in miserable back pain which he treated with a lot of V.O.
 
It's a spinoff of "Toddlers and Tiaras" :vomit: if that gives you a clue about the subject.

http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/here-comes-honey-boo-boo

I was channel surfing and came upon a preview that was so off the wall that I had to figure out what it was about...

Thank you. I wasn't acquainted with either program until now... and I kinda wish that condition had continued indefinitely, now that I am.

I haven't owned a TV in almost a decade. When I was moving from one apartment to another in Queens some years ago, I realized that I almost never watched the television, anyway; so I gave it to the lady who lived downstairs from me.

Whenever I think about buying one, I go visit family or friends and watch theirs for a while. That extinguishes the temptation pretty effectively; but I think learning about Honey Booboo and Toddlers and Tiaras will effectively quench any sparks along those lines for at least a couple of years.

Netflix works great for movies and documentaries, and I can watch sporting events at the local gin mill or with my dad, if it's a sport we're both interested in. He enjoys the company, anyway.

-Rich
 

Some of the comments are pretty funny. But I'm not sure it's a white thing.

I only know two other people who don't own televisions (although I admit I haven't gone around asking). One is a white friend of mine who works for Uncle down in Quantico, and the other is a black lady friend I've known since I was a teen-ager. In fact, Libby ditched the tube long before I did, now that I think about it.

I know the sample size is a bit small, but based on that data, fully a third of the people I know (including myself) who don't own televisions happen to be black. Considering overall population composition, that would suggest that a slightly higher percentage of blacks than whites don't own televisions.

-Rich
 
Some of the comments are pretty funny. But I'm not sure it's a white thing.

I only know two other people who don't own televisions (although I admit I haven't gone around asking). One is a white friend of mine who works for Uncle down in Quantico, and the other is a black lady friend I've known since I was a teen-ager. In fact, Libby ditched the tube long before I did, now that I think about it.

I know the sample size is a bit small, but based on that data, fully a third of the people I know (including myself) who don't own televisions happen to be black. Considering overall population composition, that would suggest that a slightly higher percentage of blacks than whites don't own televisions.

-Rich

You're not real in tune with the mid-20's west coast hipster crowd I see :D
 
Heck, when I was a mid twenties west coaster, I didn't own a TV either and in fact, haven't owned one since. I've lived in places with them, but not owned. I too just use Netflix these days. It's got all the best of cable without having to surf for it or watch infomercials when it isn't on. There are some movies and good shows missing from it though.
 
Browsing through that site I thought it was hilarious. :D

The White People Travel Bingo card on the front page is pretty funny. Although I only could score two items for myself. One was the Nalgene water bottle with the faded Colorado Pilot's Assn. sticker on it. ;)
 
The White People Travel Bingo card on the front page is pretty funny. Although I only could score two items for myself. One was the Nalgene water bottle with the faded Colorado Pilot's Assn. sticker on it. ;)

I scored quite a few. No wonder I've been accused of being a banana.
 
There's like 134 articles on there, I have a coworker who's guilty of at least 120...

My personal favorite: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/

Missed that one, but it's going straight into the comments of a friend's rabid political Facebook posts because it's election season and he's ALL fired up making everyone "aware" as if a) they didn't know everything he's posting already, and b) as if he's the anointed one sent to teach us all the error of the ways of our political opinions.

Yeah, I'm guilty of the same behavior from time to time, but that link is sooooooo timely. He's in that spitting-mad-no-one-is-listening-to-me-that-Politcal-Party-X-is-coming-to-eat-your-babies mode.

Maybe it'll make him laugh. I'll tell him he needs to start an awareness campaign. That or he'll just get moodier and crankier until after election season is over. Haha. His choice, really. ;)

Someone should post it in SZ too. Hahahahaha. No, I'm not going to turn on SZ just for that. BTDT. Wasted enough time in there. :)
 
The White People Travel Bingo card on the front page is pretty funny. Although I only could score two items for myself. One was the Nalgene water bottle with the faded Colorado Pilot's Assn. sticker on it. ;)

Scored precisely zero
 
Scored precisely zero

That explains it. You looked kinda [insert any race here] when we met in Arkansas. ;)

(A dangerous place for non-rednecks, I hear. You be careful visiting Gaston's, we wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you, you hear?) ;)

Stereotypes are fun, eh? Sigh...

Oh, and I heard you're also an evil rich airplane pilot. I've met your kind. You stay away from me!

LOL! ;)
 
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