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so im doing this flight tomorrow morning and was wanted to know the odds of ATC giving me a route over GON vor to MVY vor to ACK vor. before groton i dont really care because ill be over land. after groton though looks iffy for me. i looked at the fltplan.com and the recently 5 planned ATC routes were from GON to MINNK to DEEPO to V46 to ACK. i really dont want to be over water that long since im going in a cherokee. do you think they will accomidate me? or will they give me the route mentioned above? what i would like to get is BAYYS SEALL GON V374 MVY ACK
 
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You might want to look in the Tower Enroute Control section of your A/FD. Republic isn't listed as a starting point, but JFK is, and there is a route to ACK from JFK which starts going to BDR, which is where they usually take you headed that way out of FRG. After GON, that route gives you V58 NEWBE then direct DEEPO, but you must be /G for that one (although if you're thinking direct BAYYS direct SEALL, you must be /G already).

However, ForeFlight says they've also cleared folks via almost the exact route you said you wanted (via V188 from SEALL to GON, which is the same as direct SEALL to GON) at 7000. So, I'd say file what you want (or maybe plug in V188 from SEALL to GON to make the computer happy) at 7000 and you're likely to get it.
 
yes i am a /G. yea just over the NEWBE and DEEPO i dont like becuase of the water. hopefully like you said they can give me after GON to MVY to ACK
Ron Levy said:
You might want to look in the Tower Enroute Control section of your A/FD. Republic isn't listed as a starting point, but JFK is, and there is a route to ACK from JFK which starts going to BDR, which is where they usually take you headed that way out of FRG. After GON, that route gives you V58 NEWBE then direct DEEPO, but you must be /G for that one (although if you're thinking direct BAYYS direct SEALL, you must be /G already).

However, ForeFlight says they've also cleared folks via almost the exact route you said you wanted (via V188 from SEALL to GON, which is the same as direct SEALL to GON) at 7000. So, I'd say file what you want (or maybe plug in V188 from SEALL to GON to make the computer happy) at 7000 and you're likely to get it.
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File the route you want and if you don't get it ,ask for some changes while your flying. The controllers are usually good at keeping in shore if you ask.
 
so they gave me the route i didnt want. after GON they gave me NEWBE to DEEPO direct. no problems with asking for a re route with providence approach we had a pretty good headwind going to nantucket and the high pressure system gave us some crappy weather over LI and into Mass. other than that it was a great flight. did 4.5 hours.
numl0ck said:
So, how did it go?
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also a sidenote, im flying to richmond, va on monday and going ifr. is there anything special i should know regarding the SFRA or if im ifr im good? ill still be about 30 miles south of the DC area
 
jordane93 said:
also a sidenote, im flying to richmond, va on monday and going ifr. is there anything special i should know regarding the SFRA or if im ifr im good? ill still be about 30 miles south of the DC area
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Did you take the online course? Required for all VFR flights within 60nm of DCA, regardless of terminus (silly, I know, but so is the SFRA itself). I tried looking for the course link, but it seems to be, ummm... unavailable at the moment (...this is not the spin zone... this is not the spin zone... :D). Usually at faasafety.gov. Maybe you could plan a scenic tour of the DelMarVa coastline. :dunno:

Anyway, you're going IFR, and you'll probably be well away from the SFRA in any case. Even if not, I'm told its mostly transparent to IFR pilots. The three big requirements are that you have a flight plan on file, a discrete transponder code (all the way to the ground - never squalk 1200 in the SFRA. If you're got one of those transponders with a VFR button rip it off or reprogram it to squalk 7700), and that you be in radio contact with ATC -- all of which would be the case anyway for an IFR flight.

Take along AOPA's intercept proceedures card, cause, you never know. Its been known that the Forces of Darkness that partol the DC skies have their left hand (DoD) not knowing what their right hand (ATC) is doing with a particular aircraft. (Only joking, sorta.)
 
ok. i guess it will just be like any other ifr flight then
DJTorrente said:
Did you take the online course? Required for all VFR flights within 60nm of DCA, regardless of terminus (silly, I know, but so is the SFRA itself). I tried looking for the course link, but it seems to be, ummm... unavailable at the moment (...this is not the spin zone... this is not the spin zone... :D). Usually at faasafety.gov. Maybe you could plan a scenic tour of the DelMarVa coastline. :dunno:

Anyway, you're going IFR, and you'll probably be well away from the SFRA in any case. Even if not, I'm told its mostly transparent to IFR pilots. The three big requirements are that you have a flight plan on file, a discrete transponder code (all the way to the ground - never squalk 1200 in the SFRA. If you're got one of those transponders with a VFR button rip it off or reprogram it to squalk 7700), and that you be in radio contact with ATC -- all of which would be the case anyway for an IFR flight.

Take along AOPA's intercept proceedures card, cause, you never know. Its been known that the Forces of Darkness that partol the DC skies have their left hand (DoD) not knowing what their right hand (ATC) is doing with a particular aircraft. (Only joking, sorta.)
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jordane93 said:
so they gave me the route i didnt want. after GON they gave me NEWBE to DEEPO direct. no problems with asking for a re route with providence approach we had a pretty good headwind going to nantucket and the high pressure system gave us some crappy weather over LI and into Mass. other than that it was a great flight. did 4.5 hours.
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That's good PVD worked with you. What was the reroute? Looks like COSSY MVY ACK would be the best way.

PS: The reason I'm so interested is because this is where I fly all the time, and I'm curious was to what to expect when I start instrument training. :)
 
i got radar vectors BDR V475 MAD CARLD V188 GON V58 NEWBE DEEPO. After getting vectors to BDR they gave me direct GON which was nice and was able to save some time. after GON i asked for direct MVY to ACK. instead of going south of block island and farther away from LI.
numl0ck said:
That's good PVD worked with you. What was the reroute? Looks like COSSY MVY ACK would be the best way.

PS: The reason I'm so interested is because this is where I fly all the time, and I'm curious was to what to expect when I start instrument training. :)
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jordane93 said:
ok. i guess it will just be like any other ifr flight then
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If IFR, yes, however you MUST take the course. No excuses....but you may apply for a gov't waiver if the gov't is shut down.

1/2 joking.....about the waiver part.

If you can't find it, I may have d/l the slides and saved them somewhere, it may be a good substitute:dunno:
Just no certificate
 
my route of flight will be JFK DIXIE V16 RIC. i will not be in the SFRA so i do not need to take the course
Jaybird180 said:
If IFR, yes, however you MUST take the course. No excuses....but you may apply for a gov't waiver if the gov't is shut down.

1/2 joking.....about the waiver part.

If you can't find it, I may have d/l the slides and saved them somewhere, it may be a good substitute:dunno:
Just no certificate
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jordane93 said:
so im doing this flight tomorrow morning and was wanted to know the odds of ATC giving me a route over GON vor to MVY vor to ACK vor. before groton i dont really care because ill be over land. after groton though looks iffy for me. i looked at the fltplan.com and the recently 5 planned ATC routes were from GON to MINNK to DEEPO to V46 to ACK. i really dont want to be over water that long since im going in a cherokee. do you think they will accomidate me? or will they give me the route mentioned above? what i would like to get is BAYYS SEALL GON V374 MVY ACK
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I fly out of South Jersey, and what works for me, most of the time is putting "SINGLE ENGINE AIRPLANE-NO EXTENDED OVERWATER FLIGHT" in the remarks section of my flight plan. ATC will typically have two preferred routes for overwater legs, multi engine, and single engine. This ensures that they give me the single engine routing.

McGuire RAPCON a long time ago published ATC routings for dozens of airports on the east coast from their area of service (both single and multi engine routings). The website is still available as a archive: http://www.oocities.org/rjt02/qwikref/qwikref.htm (just click on the second black box from the left if a banner is blocking the text).

I still use this website and it's 99% accurate. No matter what I file, this is the routing I'm going to get, so now I just file it.

Looking at this, if you asked for the single engine routing, after GON you probably would have gotten your GON.V374.MVY..ACK.
 
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