It has been schedule!

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It has been scheduled!

Hopefully, on Dec 8th I will posting good news. My Check ride has been scheduled for 0900. I will be there at 0700 making sure everything is good on the plane, and to gather up all the flight logs. I am confident, and nervous every time I think about it. Seems very surreal that I will be finally taking a test for something I have dreamed about doing for a long time.
 
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Excellent, gather the aircraft logbooks before hand so they're ready at the FBO's desk for that morning. Mark places in your logbook that you know the examiner is going to ask to see (long xc, night, etc.) Make sure you have ALL your documents. And I wouldn't get there at 7, maybe show up at 8 as long as you have everything else greased and ready to go. It's just another flight, and you get to talk about airplanes for a couple hours before hand!
 
Excellent, gather the aircraft logbooks before hand so they're ready at the FBO's desk for that morning. Mark places in your logbook that you know the examiner is going to ask to see (long xc, night, etc.) Make sure you have ALL your documents. And I wouldn't get there at 7, maybe show up at 8 as long as you have everything else greased and ready to go. It's just another flight, and you get to talk about airplanes for a couple hours before hand!

Good call. I will arrange to go in the night before. Also, I can make sure my plane is sitting in the front of the hangar. I do not want to shift around planes before hand. Also, in case it is cold, I want to be able to make sure it is warm enough to start. The Piper Sports are sometimes a bear to get going first thing when it is cold.
 
Captain Levy’s Checkride Advice

1. Relax and enjoy it. Nationwide, about 90% of applicants pass on the first try, so look around and see if you think you’re as good as 9 out of 10 other students. Also, your instructor must maintain a pass rate of at least 80% to get his ticket renewed, so he’s not going to send you up unless he’s pretty darn sure you’ll pass – otherwise, he has to find four other people to pass to make up for you, and that’s not always easy.

2. Go over with your instructor the logbooks of the aircraft you're going to use the day BEFORE the checkride to make sure it's all in order (annual, transponder checks, ELT ops and battery, 100-hour if rented, etc.). If the airplane's paper busts, so do you. Run a sample W&B, too – get the examiner’s weight when you make the appointment. If you weigh 200, and so does the examiner, don’t show up with a C-152 with full tanks and a 350 lb available cabin load – examiners can’t waive max gross weight limits.

3. Relax.

4. Rest up and get a good night's sleep the night before. Don't stay up "cramming."

5. Relax.

6. Read carefully the ENTIRE PTS including all the introductory material. Use the checklist in the front to make sure you take all the stuff you need -- papers and equipment. And the examiner’s fee UP FRONT (too much chance a disgruntled applicant will refuse to pay afterward) in the form demanded by the examiner is a “required document” from a practical, if not FAA, standpoint.

7. Relax.

8. You’re going to make a big mistake somewhere. The examiner knows this will happen, and it doesn’t have to end the ride. What’s important is not whether you make a mistake, but how you deal with it – whether you recover and move on without letting it destroy your flying. Figure out where you are now, how to get to where you want to be, and then do what it takes to get there. That will save your checkride today and your butt later on.

9. Relax.

10. You're going to make some minor mistakes. Correct them yourself in a timely manner "so the outcome of the maneuver is never seriously in doubt" and you'll be OK. If you start to go high on your first steep turn and start a correction as you approach 100 feet high but top out at 110 high while making a smooth correction back to the requested altitude, don't sweat -- nail the next one and you'll pass with "flying colors" (a naval term, actually). If you see the maneuver will exceed parameters and not be smoothly recoverable, tell the examiner and knock it off before you go outside those parameters, and then re-initiate. That shows great sense, if not great skill, and judgement is the most critical item on the checkride.

11. Relax.

12. During the oral, you don’t have to answer from memory anything you’d have time to look up in reality. You never need to memorize and know everything. Categorize material as:

a. Things you must memorize (i.e. emergency procedures, radio calls, airspace, etc).
b. Things you must know or have reasonable understanding of (i.e. interpreting weather codes, non-critical regs).
c. Things you must know about but can look up and will have time to look up on the ground.

(Thanks to Mark Bourdeaux for this categorization.) So if the examiner asks you about currency, it’s OK to open the FAR book to 61.56 and 61.57 and explain them to him. But make sure you know where the answer is without reading the whole FAR/AIM cover-to-cover. On the other hand, for stuff you’d have to know RIGHT NOW (e.g., best glide speed for engine failure, etc.), you’d best not stumble or stutter – know that stuff cold. Also, remember that the examiner will use the areas your knowledge test report says you missed as focus points in the oral, so study them extra thoroughly.

13. Relax.

14. Avoid this conversation:
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?

Applicant - A: I have a #2, a mechanical, a red one...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: I also have an assortment of pens, and some highlighters...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: Yes.
Examiner - Thank you.
One of the hardest things to do when you’re nervous and pumped up is to shut up and answer the question. I've watched people talk themselves into a corner by incorrectly answering a question that was never asked, or by adding an incorrect appendix to the correct answer to the question that was. If the examiner wants more, he'll tell you.

15. Relax

16. Some questions are meant simply to test your knowledge, not your skill, even if they sound otherwise. If the examiner asks how far below the cloud deck you are, he is checking to see if you know the answer is “at least 500 feet,” not how good your depth perception is. He can’t tell any better than you can, and the only way to be sure is to climb up and see when you hit the bases, which for sure he won’t let you do.

17. Relax

18. It’s a test of your flying skill, not your knowledge of PTS minutiae. Make sure you know which maneuver the examiner wants done, and confirm the details if necessary – before you start the maneuver. Does s/he want stalls taken all the way to the break or just to the buffet or “first sign of impending stall”? Is that “spot landing” s/he asked for the “power-off 180-degree accuracy approach and landing” no more than 200 feet beyond the spot or the “short-field approach and landing” which allows use of power but no more than 100 feet beyond the spot?

19. Relax

20. Remember the first rule of Italian driving: "What's behind me is not important." Don't worry about how you did the last maneuver or question. If you didn't do it well enough, the examiner must notify you and terminate the checkride. If you are on the next one, forget the last one because it was good enough to pass. Focus on doing that next maneuver or answering the next question the best you can, because while it can still determine whether you pass or fail, the last one can’t anymore. If you get back to the office and he hasn't said you failed, smile to your friends as you walk in because you just passed.

21. Relax and enjoy your new license.


Ron Levy, ATP, CFI, Veteran of 11 license/rating checkrides, including 4 with FAA inspectors
 
Captain Levy’s Checkride Advice

1. Relax and enjoy it. Nationwide, about 90% of applicants pass on the first try, so look around and see if you think you’re as good as 9 out of 10 other students. Also, your instructor must maintain a pass rate of at least 80% to get his ticket renewed, so he’s not going to send you up unless he’s pretty darn sure you’ll pass – otherwise, he has to find four other people to pass to make up for you, and that’s not always easy.

2. Go over with your instructor the logbooks of the aircraft you're going to use the day BEFORE the checkride to make sure it's all in order (annual, transponder checks, ELT ops and battery, 100-hour if rented, etc.). If the airplane's paper busts, so do you. Run a sample W&B, too – get the examiner’s weight when you make the appointment. If you weigh 200, and so does the examiner, don’t show up with a C-152 with full tanks and a 350 lb available cabin load – examiners can’t waive max gross weight limits.

3. Relax.

4. Rest up and get a good night's sleep the night before. Don't stay up "cramming."

5. Relax.

6. Read carefully the ENTIRE PTS including all the introductory material. Use the checklist in the front to make sure you take all the stuff you need -- papers and equipment. And the examiner’s fee UP FRONT (too much chance a disgruntled applicant will refuse to pay afterward) in the form demanded by the examiner is a “required document” from a practical, if not FAA, standpoint.

7. Relax.

8. You’re going to make a big mistake somewhere. The examiner knows this will happen, and it doesn’t have to end the ride. What’s important is not whether you make a mistake, but how you deal with it – whether you recover and move on without letting it destroy your flying. Figure out where you are now, how to get to where you want to be, and then do what it takes to get there. That will save your checkride today and your butt later on.

9. Relax.

10. You're going to make some minor mistakes. Correct them yourself in a timely manner "so the outcome of the maneuver is never seriously in doubt" and you'll be OK. If you start to go high on your first steep turn and start a correction as you approach 100 feet high but top out at 110 high while making a smooth correction back to the requested altitude, don't sweat -- nail the next one and you'll pass with "flying colors" (a naval term, actually). If you see the maneuver will exceed parameters and not be smoothly recoverable, tell the examiner and knock it off before you go outside those parameters, and then re-initiate. That shows great sense, if not great skill, and judgement is the most critical item on the checkride.

11. Relax.

12. During the oral, you don’t have to answer from memory anything you’d have time to look up in reality. You never need to memorize and know everything. Categorize material as:

a. Things you must memorize (i.e. emergency procedures, radio calls, airspace, etc).
b. Things you must know or have reasonable understanding of (i.e. interpreting weather codes, non-critical regs).
c. Things you must know about but can look up and will have time to look up on the ground.

(Thanks to Mark Bourdeaux for this categorization.) So if the examiner asks you about currency, it’s OK to open the FAR book to 61.56 and 61.57 and explain them to him. But make sure you know where the answer is without reading the whole FAR/AIM cover-to-cover. On the other hand, for stuff you’d have to know RIGHT NOW (e.g., best glide speed for engine failure, etc.), you’d best not stumble or stutter – know that stuff cold. Also, remember that the examiner will use the areas your knowledge test report says you missed as focus points in the oral, so study them extra thoroughly.

13. Relax.

14. Avoid this conversation:
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?

Applicant - A: I have a #2, a mechanical, a red one...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: I also have an assortment of pens, and some highlighters...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: Yes.
Examiner - Thank you.
One of the hardest things to do when you’re nervous and pumped up is to shut up and answer the question. I've watched people talk themselves into a corner by incorrectly answering a question that was never asked, or by adding an incorrect appendix to the correct answer to the question that was. If the examiner wants more, he'll tell you.

15. Relax

16. Some questions are meant simply to test your knowledge, not your skill, even if they sound otherwise. If the examiner asks how far below the cloud deck you are, he is checking to see if you know the answer is “at least 500 feet,” not how good your depth perception is. He can’t tell any better than you can, and the only way to be sure is to climb up and see when you hit the bases, which for sure he won’t let you do.

17. Relax

18. It’s a test of your flying skill, not your knowledge of PTS minutiae. Make sure you know which maneuver the examiner wants done, and confirm the details if necessary – before you start the maneuver. Does s/he want stalls taken all the way to the break or just to the buffet or “first sign of impending stall”? Is that “spot landing” s/he asked for the “power-off 180-degree accuracy approach and landing” no more than 200 feet beyond the spot or the “short-field approach and landing” which allows use of power but no more than 100 feet beyond the spot?

19. Relax

20. Remember the first rule of Italian driving: "What's behind me is not important." Don't worry about how you did the last maneuver or question. If you didn't do it well enough, the examiner must notify you and terminate the checkride. If you are on the next one, forget the last one because it was good enough to pass. Focus on doing that next maneuver or answering the next question the best you can, because while it can still determine whether you pass or fail, the last one can’t anymore. If you get back to the office and he hasn't said you failed, smile to your friends as you walk in because you just passed.

21. Relax and enjoy your new license.


Ron Levy, ATP, CFI, Veteran of 11 license/rating checkrides, including 4 with FAA inspectors

Thank you Ron. Read that a few times. And will read it a few more along with the PTS.
 
Good luck, we're all counting on you.
 
I've known Bob Gawler a long time. Very nice guy. I thought you were out of W00 -- are you going up to GAI for the ride or is Bob coming down?


GAI is my Aerodrome. I met Jaybird at W00 and flew out to Salisbury with him.
 
Best check ride advice I ever got before my check ride, although I realize you did not ask, was that the DPE will know way more than you about airplanes and flying so don't try and convince him you know everything. You are guranteed to trap yourself that way. Answer the questions he asks during the oral and perform the flight maneuvers he wants during the flight portion correctly and you'll be fine. My DPE said to me thy he wanted to see good PIC qualities, like organization, planning and decision making and that his job was to verify I had those and my CFI did his job. That really put me at ease because, you already know how to fly( well hopefully if you are taking a check ride).

Hope you get the congratulations handshake at the end!
 
I bet most DPEs know if you know your stuff about five minutes in. The rest is just to see how you handle stress. :)

If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. :)

Good luck. Properly prepared, you won't need it.
 
Relax, you are ready.

Why so far in advance? That is 9 days from now. :dunno:

I was trying for the weekdays, and take a day off of work. It is what I was offered. I am going flying tomorrow solo for some practice.
 
As you get near the end of the ride, remember Ron's point #20. You can't believe the comfort it gave me on final approach to land at the end of my IR ride (second try). I was grinning before I even pulled off the runway. Relax and have fun. The DPE wants you to pass.
 
The best advice that I got just before my check ride was that not everything will go as planned but to remember to stay ahead of the plane and not to let a mistake cause me to fall behind on the remaining maneuvers.


Here's looking forward to your success.
 
The best advice that I got just before my check ride was that not everything will go as planned but to remember to stay ahead of the plane and not to let a mistake cause me to fall behind on the remaining maneuvers.


Here's looking forward to your success.

Kinda like getting married. Haha.
 
The progs and TAFs are looking as if it is going to MVFR to IFR ceilings and mist. Probably, just going to get the Oral out of the way tomorrow morning. Bummer.

Hopefully, I will be able to reschedule the flight not to far out. Might have to take a sick day of work to fly. I will just call it Air Sick.
 
The progs and TAFs are looking as if it is going to MVFR to IFR ceilings and mist. Probably, just going to get the Oral out of the way tomorrow morning. Bummer.

Hopefully, I will be able to reschedule the flight not to far out. Might have to take a sick day of work to fly. I will just call it Air Sick.

See if you can push the starting time back a couple hours. Looks like you have a good chance (better at least) of it working if you can start the flight portion after 1pm.

Andrew
 
Sorry I missed this thread Matt.

I also had to do my checkride in 2 parts. It ain't so bad.
 
If my route fits in the TAC, do I have a choice to use that over the Sectional?


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If my route fits in the TAC, do I have a choice to use that over the Sectional?


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What do you think, PIC? Does it have all required information for a successful outcome of the flight?
 
What do you think, PIC? Does it have all required information for a successful outcome of the flight?

Slipped my mind that I am PIC. And, yes it has all I need, and in better detail than the sectional. Other than it's awkward folding, I am a fan. Wanted to use my iPad, but my instructor wants me to use the charts. I kind of want to as well. I feel like, if I brought a tool along that can make things really easy, he might have some more difficult challenges.



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Maybe you can do the oral in the morning, have lunch then go flying in the afternoon. Great time for wx decision-making questions. Have fun and good luck!
 
Here's hoping you're kicking ass and the weather clears up for you!

Oral Passed. Discontinuance until Wednesday for the Flight. FDK 2 1/2 mist, 008BKN, MRB 008OVC. I would have waited around, but he had a 1PM Check Ride.

Not to broke up about it. Takes a little bit of the pressure off for the flight.

I got to roll some dice for choice of ground reference maneuver.

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Do you want to save the $7 and find out?

He still had me pull out the sectional for some of the questions he had.
On the TAC he asked which airports offered fuel. Then he asked me why the TAC didn't indicate that? I dunno, and I don't even know where to look for that answer. Best answer was the Sectional had circles, and room for the symbols, and the TAC only had rectangles, and not enough room.


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Congrats on getting at least the oral out of the way. Here is to hoping for clear skies on Wednesday.
 
Oral Passed. Discontinuance until Wednesday for the Flight. FDK 2 1/2 mist, 008BKN, MRB 008OVC. I would have waited around, but he had a 1PM Check Ride.

Not to broke up about it. Takes a little bit of the pressure off for the flight.

I got to roll some dice for choice of ground reference maneuver.

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I did my check ride in 2 parts on different days. Looking back I actually think it was a really good thing. Now you can just focus on flying and it will feel more like showing up to the airport to go flying, just with a special passenger along for the ride.

Nice to have the oral behind you. Hope the flight goes well.
 
So, all ready and settled in the plane. Get through my safety briefing. Go to start up the plane, and won't fire up. Rescheduled AGAIN! Just not having any luck. One of the three out for MX, and the plane I am using refusing to start.


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Now you know why I do the "pre" pre flight. Hit the start switch momentarily with mixture in ICO, only for those very important flights. Any other time I am checking flaps and voltage above 12.5 or 25.0. It seems like it never happens on those fun flights planned locally. You'll get there.
 
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