Is there Censorship at POA

William Pete Hodges said:
I use GPS in my Mooney now, but being able to seamlessly move to different navigation styles is very important. Two years ago I flew through a GPS hole near Cleveland Ohio. For 30 minutes none of my GPS equipment provided and position data at all. I had a GPS 496, an AERA760, a Garmin GTX345 transponder, and a SPOT Communicator. Not one of these separate devices gave me position or direction during that 30 minutes. The first thing I did was verify my heading and check my DG. Then I pulled up a list of nearest VORs and dialed in a VOR along my heading. I started preparing to complete the 300NM flight using VOR and Dead Reckoning. 30 minutes later everything started working again. Due to this incident I have changed my panel and added ADF as backup. NDBs are going away but AM radio stations aren't, and there is one only 6 miles from my home airport.

I wrote about this incident on POA and I was going to reference it here but I can no longer find the thread. My only conclusion is that POA management deleted it. I find that disturbing. I openly criticized the FAA for removing so many land based navigation aids, especially NDBs which are the least expensive to build and maintain, less than any other type. I guess BIG BROTHER is real.

One of the things that make this a free country is the freedom of speech allowing anyone to share their views openly without censorship or reprisal. I criticized the FAA and my thread on that subject has been deleted. What does that say about POA?
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It took me like 10 seconds to find your thread:
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/gps-backup.148081/

I’m an mod elsewhere and it’s funny how many times we get accused of deleting people’s stuff, when it’s not deleted and they just couldn’t find it. But people will go on some serious rants accusing us of first amendment violations and how we are bad.

One of the things that make this a free country is the freedom of speech allowing anyone to share their views openly without censorship or reprisal. I criticized the FAA and my thread on that subject has been deleted. What does that say about POA?
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This very thing above is what I’m talking about. Can’t find a thread, immediately accuse POA of censoring your views, deleting your posts, taking your rights away. I think you likely owe the site an apology since you were so quick and determined to trash them.
 
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Sierra1 said:
I’m an mod elsewhere and it’s funny how many times we get accused of deleting people’s stuff, when it’s not deleted and they just couldn’t find it.
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Yea. Blame the victim. :-)

Long, long, time ago. Department got connected to a PDP-11 (IIRC) with VT-100 terminals shared between pairs of engineers - the PDP had the software that would write tuning parameters into engine control software that you would download and burn onto a EPROM which you would then put into the socket in the control module...

Everyone got training on how to use that particular software - step 1 was pick up the phone, dial, user name, password, type the name of the program and off you went. They also explained how to do basic things like list the files, delete files...

You had your own login id, but all of the file storage was by department.

Well, it didn't take long before I decided to poke around and see what else this marvel of technology could do. Woah! It had a FORTRAN compiler. And I had learned a bit about FORTRAN in college.

I decided that I could write a program that would organize and store vehicle data in a text file that I could access / edit / print / whatever. Good times.

Then one morning, went to add some data, and... nothing. It was all gone. So, I went to the department "system administrator" to see what he knew.
"Yea, I deleted all those files"
"Oh. Ok. Why?"
"I wanted to practice deleting files. I didn't know what they were, so I deleted them. What were they?"
I explained.
"You can do that?"
"Yes. Could you do me a favor and not delete the stuff again?"
"Sure!"
 
Just a note in passing. One's rights do not devolve, originate, or are provided "from government". Rights are inalienable.
 
Barrett50 said:
Just a note in passing. One's rights do not devolve, originate, or are provided "from government". Rights are inalienable.
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While that’s a nice theory, I have been persuaded to believe quite firmly that my rights originate from my wife and can be rescinded at any time.
 
Half Fast said:
While that’s a nice theory, I have been persuaded to believe quite firmly that my rights originate from my wife and can be rescinded at any time.
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It is true that the one who gives the rights is the one that can remove them ...
 
Barrett50 said:
Just a note in passing. One's rights do not devolve, originate, or are provided "from government". Rights are inalienable.
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Without trying to stir anything up, I kinda think it's like this - a person can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean anyone has an obligation to publish it, or listen to it, or read it...and it doesn't mean a person won't experience consequences for shouting "theater" at a crowded fire.

With respect to POA, I don't think I've seen a better job of keeping the noise down in forums. Doesn't mean it's perfect, but it's better that I'd be able to do.

Edit - and I get OP's note, too. Along the lines of, if I lose my car keys I really want to first think someone put them somewhere else, even if every single time it's my fault.
 
Barrett50 said:
Just a note in passing. One's rights do not devolve, originate, or are provided "from government". Rights are inalienable.
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Huh?

IMHO and I believe technically true: they’re inalienable if and only if a government declares them so, as ours did.

Can you define a “right” in a universal sense? And explain how/why you did so?

I mean… even the ones declared so 250 years ago didn’t actually apply universally: ask the slaves…

“Rights”, I believe, are actually set by a government. We’re so used to believing they’re “universal” from our frame of reference but seldom stop and realize they are indeed the decree of a government.

I guess I’m asking: what do you mean by a “right” and how do you mean/prove it’s inalienable?
 
Barrett50 said:
Just a note in passing. One's rights do not devolve, originate, or are provided "from government". Rights are inalienable.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights
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"Certain" unalienable rights. That doesn't mean anyone can do any damn thing they please. Your" right to flail your fist stops at my nose. You can say anything you want, but I get to choose whether you can say it in my house".
 
Gosh, I did not intend to stir any pot with my correction. Anyone can believe anything they want. I choose to live by the philosophy that my rights were 'given' or originated by my creator. My government only recognizes them, and must act appropriately to remain operating with the consent of the governed. I didn't first bring up the statement of rights here, and don't want to cause problems about it. Just my take, YMMV.
 
Barrett50 said:
Gosh, I did not intend to stir any pot with my correction. Anyone can believe anything they want. I choose to live by the philosophy that my rights were 'given' or originated by my creator. My government only recognizes them, and must act appropriately to remain operating with the consent of the governed. I didn't first bring up the statement of rights here, and don't want to cause problems about it. Just my take, YMMV.
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Let me first say I own any understandable reaction to my “Huh?”; didn’t mean to sound as snarky as it could be taken.

Also, I’d contend yours was an opinion - not a “correction”.

“Inalienable” rights are a subset of “rights”. A right to vote isn’t “inalienable”, I’d bet we’d all agree.

And as to rights considered “inalienable”, it sirikes me they’re also “drives” by any living thing: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (or property, depending on your philosopher). <edit> I’d contend only a “government” can enshrine these basic drives into inalienable rights with any kind of meaningful outcome.

And even those, calling them “inalienable” (“unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor”) is a misnomer: does a killer sentenced to death have an inalienable right to life? Does a convict spending time in jail have an inalienable right to freedom?

This is a philosophical discussion that doesn’t lend itself to binary “we all have opinions” thinking, IMHO. Even invoking the Creator: there were MANY slaves who were Christian and followed the same Creator as their masters. That’s a bit of a discrepancy.

I respect you making a point. I think the matter is far deeper than batting it back and forth on an aviation forum permits.

And, yeah, I’m fully expecting (and fine with) the inevitable eye-roll and thumbs-down responses from the predictables. Meh.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
Yea. Blame the victim. :-)

Long, long, time ago. Department got connected to a PDP-11 (IIRC) with VT-100 terminals shared between pairs of engineers - the PDP had the software that would write tuning parameters into engine control software that you would download and burn onto a EPROM which you would then put into the socket in the control module...

Everyone got training on how to use that particular software - step 1 was pick up the phone, dial, user name, password, type the name of the program and off you went. They also explained how to do basic things like list the files, delete files...

You had your own login id, but all of the file storage was by department.

Well, it didn't take long before I decided to poke around and see what else this marvel of technology could do. Woah! It had a FORTRAN compiler. And I had learned a bit about FORTRAN in college.

I decided that I could write a program that would organize and store vehicle data in a text file that I could access / edit / print / whatever. Good times.

Then one morning, went to add some data, and... nothing. It was all gone. So, I went to the department "system administrator" to see what he knew.
"Yea, I deleted all those files"
"Oh. Ok. Why?"
"I wanted to practice deleting files. I didn't know what they were, so I deleted them. What were they?"
I explained.
"You can do that?"
"Yes. Could you do me a favor and not delete the stuff again?"
"Sure!"
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I have been dealing with this issue and the fall out from it for the last year. Through corporate restructuring and rapid expansion a large number of new people (and entire departments) have been created were I work. I think it is a result of the dunning-Kruger effect among the new (mostly inexperienced but great on a paper resume, and fresh out of school degree holders recruited by again a new department comprised of zero experience in the industry professional recruiters). “Why do you need to keep or access emails for longer than a year?” “Why do we need to keep this spare part when the last time one was used was 15 months ago?” Well the emails had the contact information and the development notes from when a particular processing system was first developed. Sometimes even a few years latter a recurring problem is found that could be improved upon and it is good to be able to contact the people involved in it’s development. Sometimes you keep a part because it has a 14 month lead time and is absolutely mission critical for a system to run.. but it’s the don’t know what they don’t know that is always the problem, they are just trying to make it “more efficient”.
 
Llewtrah381 said:
Let me first say I own any understandable reaction to my “Huh?”; didn’t mean to sound as snarky as it could be taken.

Also, I’d contend yours was an opinion - not a “correction”.

“Inalienable” rights are a subset of “rights”. A right to vote isn’t “inalienable”, I’d bet we’d all agree.

And as to rights considered “inalienable”, it sirikes me they’re also “drives” by any living thing: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (or property, depending on your philosopher). <edit> I’d contend only a “government” can enshrine these basic drives into inalienable rights with any kind of meaningful outcome.

And even those, calling them “inalienable” (“unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor”) is a misnomer: does a killer sentenced to death have an inalienable right to life? Does a convict spending time in jail have an inalienable right to freedom?

This is a philosophical discussion that doesn’t lend itself to binary “we all have opinions” thinking, IMHO. Even invoking the Creator: there were MANY slaves who were Christian and followed the same Creator as their masters. That’s a bit of a discrepancy.

I respect you making a point. I think the matter is far deeper than batting it back and forth on an aviation forum permits.

And, yeah, I’m fully expecting (and fine with) the inevitable eye-roll and thumbs-down responses from the predictables. Meh.
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You do want to argue. My correction was directed at a prev post in this thread that said rights come from govt. And, following up, I said anyone can believe anything they want. Literal quotes are what I read, and corrected, and my point is an opinion that is shared by likely 99% of the nation, and should be the cornerstone of every representative who works for us. If you want to think and write otherwise, go right ahead. I would prefer in the future that you not reply to me specifically, because I post facts as facts. The founding documents back me up. I don't think I will be able to view any further posts by you.
 
Actually, I kind of half-sympathize with the OP. Not in regard to "Censorship", but in what appears to be some odd results using the search tool.

For instance, I posted this message a while back:
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But a search using "Three", "three", "Three-Way", etc. didn't come up with it.

I tried "Three*" with a wild card at the end, and this was the result:
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STILL not the posting I did about three-way switches.

Also tried the wild card at the front AND back, and got the same results.

Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
But a search using "Three", "three", "Three-Way", etc. didn't come up with it.
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Interesting - I get the same result, so at least it's repeatable. Searching for any other term in the title (switch, dimmer, wiring) returns your thread. Maybe the hyphen has something to do with it?

@flyingron

ETA: using 'three-way' as the search term also does not return your post about it in this thread.

Nauga,
who thought about joking that it had been deleted
 
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Half Fast said:
Probably the term “three-way” and its variants are blocked as sexually explicit content. Likely @eman1200 ‘s fault.
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Being a unlettered prude, I blush at the thought that you're probably right about why the search term isn't working.

But then, this DOES lend itself to some possibilities...if I want to post about a given (non-dirty) subject but don't want the search capability to be able to find it....

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Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
Being a unlettered prude, I blush at the thought that you're probably right about why the search term isn't working.
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I suppose that's possible, but the primary focus on explicit content is the prevention of posting the ****ing ****, not searching for it.

Searching for a prohibited word returns "Please specify a search query or the name of a member." as though the term is blocked.
Searching for Three-Way returns "No results found."

Nauga,
who knows it's his asterisk
 
I just did a search for 'porcupine' and came up with a thread but searched for three, Three, and *three* and did not come up with the thread in question
 
Wellll...a short-lived thread about a singing-porcupine titled "short-lived thread about a singing-porcupine" consisting of the phrase "short-lived thread about a singing-porcupine" was found when searching for either 'short-lived' or 'singing-porcupine'.

Not sure why. I'm sure someone who knows what they're doing will be along shortly. :cool:

ETA: Searching for any single digit number spelled out (one, two, three,...) returns no results. o_O

Nauga,
cluedo
 
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This is all very strange and I can't find anything in the XF documentation or source that indicates that this should happen. Certain words are excluded from the search indexing (for example 'about'), but those should give warnings when you try to search for them. 'three' is not in the list. There is a broader stop list with three in it, but that's not supposed to be used.

I guess it's time to bring up the a test version of XF so I can poke around at it. I've got some other work to do on such an yhow.
 
eman1200 said:
"advanced/enhanced search" add on
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Yeah, it's an additional cost item that requires additional stuff to be installed on the server, but probably bears looking into.
 
Llewtrah381 said:
Let me first say I own any understandable reaction to my “Huh?”; didn’t mean to sound as snarky as it could be taken.

Also, I’d contend yours was an opinion - not a “correction”.

“Inalienable” rights are a subset of “rights”. A right to vote isn’t “inalienable”, I’d bet we’d all agree.

And as to rights considered “inalienable”, it sirikes me they’re also “drives” by any living thing: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (or property, depending on your philosopher). <edit> I’d contend only a “government” can enshrine these basic drives into inalienable rights with any kind of meaningful outcome.

And even those, calling them “inalienable” (“unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor”) is a misnomer: does a killer sentenced to death have an inalienable right to life? Does a convict spending time in jail have an inalienable right to freedom?

This is a philosophical discussion that doesn’t lend itself to binary “we all have opinions” thinking, IMHO. Even invoking the Creator: there were MANY slaves who were Christian and followed the same Creator as their masters. That’s a bit of a discrepancy.

I respect you making a point. I think the matter is far deeper than batting it back and forth on an aviation forum permits.

And, yeah, I’m fully expecting (and fine with) the inevitable eye-roll and thumbs-down responses from the predictables. Meh.
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Questions being asked knowing they can’t be answered. Quite the backhanded way to say something.

Have you read the rules of engagement for this board?
 
Does it depend on the meaning of the word "is"?

And I'm really not being critical about anything. I just love bringing up that example anytime it might possibly fit into the discussion.
 
The search function on this forum sucks bigtime.

I believe this is the code:

Select Random(thread) from Threads
Where title contains (SearchTerm) or not contains (SearchTerm) or contains (AnythingAtAll) or contains(NothingAtAll)
Order by Random
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
The search function on this forum sucks bigtime.

I believe this is the code:

Select Random(thread) from Threads
Where title contains (SearchTerm) or not contains (SearchTerm) or contains (AnythingAtAll) or contains(NothingAtAll)
Order by Random
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I can see why you had a long and distinguished career in It.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
The search function on this forum sucks bigtime.

I believe this is the code:

Select Random(thread) from Threads
Where title contains (SearchTerm) or not contains (SearchTerm) or contains (AnythingAtAll) or contains(NothingAtAll)
Order by Random
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:) You might be right, but I'm too used to working in an environment where if something is free and broken, the person who points it out gets to fix it.

Can you write web code in your hotel room in your spare time with the new flying job? :) I'm just asking because of the irony of an IT guy becoming a pilot and then doing code in their spare time to kill time would be pretty good.

Smiley's in place because I'm joking about all of it...mostly.
 
iamtheari said:
The Rules of Engagement are a lot murkier, kind of a cross between Vietnam and Bluey.
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So what does the murky ROE say about the mortal struggle between the noble low-wing flyers and the murky pilots of murky high-wing craft?
 
Half Fast said:
So what does the murky ROE say about the mortal struggle between the noble low-wing flyers and the murky pilots of murky high-wing craft?
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"In every generation there is a chosen one. She alone will stand against the vampires the demons and the forces of darkness."

Ron Wanttaja
 
Half Fast said:
So what does the murky ROE say about the mortal struggle between the noble low-wing flyers and the murky pilots of murky high-wing craft?
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I'm campaigning to have a 500 ft bubble rule established.

Nauga,
who knows nose-high goes high
 
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