Installation Process for ADS-B out

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  1. bill98

    bill98 Pre-Flight

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    Eventually I am going to need ADS-B.

    Tail/Sky Beacon seems awesome and easy as the cost of install is essentially nothing.

    I have a Narco150 Transponder, a GNS430W and an Aspen.

    What kind of wiring has to be done behind the panel if I were to get an Appareo ES to replace the Narco 150?
     
  2. Jesse Saint

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    You would need to cut each wire out of the Narco and crimp a design socket on and pin it into he connector for the Stratus. Then you would need to run a wire from the 430W to the Stratus for GPS Position.
     
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    When the shop says to go ahead and replace the coax and transponder antenna, they aren't trying to gouge you. They really do mean it when they say it'll save you money in the long run. Depending on your encoder, it may need to be replaced as well.
     
  4. weirdjim

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    What is a design socket. I've never heard of one.

    Jim
    Just curious why you say replacing perfectly good coax and a perfectly good antenna will save money in the long run. And when the Stratus can accept either parallel or series altitude encoding why would it need replacing?

    Jim
     
  5. Chip Sylverne

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    Might be cheaper in the long run, and an easier install, to pull that Narco, replace it with a GTX327 for around $400, and get a Trans Cal ssd120 digital encoder to supply RS232 alt data to the transponder, use the second port to supply RS232 alt data to the Skybeacon. The transponder can then supply digital alt data to the 430w. Ditch all that grey code crap.

    Edit: Didn't realize the Skybeacon doesn't need a alt. input wire. But I would still ditch the gray code and go digital encoder/xponder. More reliable, more accurate and relatively cheap. If you go with the Appareo ( or Trig, same thing), it makes the encoder data a one wire deal.
     
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    Why?...I believe all those boxes do grey code.
     
  7. Jesse Saint

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    Sorry, design was auto correct for Dsub.
     
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    Reliability, no warm up time, superior accuracy, simplified troubleshooting, future integration and you don't have to spend time re-socketing all those f***ing little wires.
     
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    Checkout_my_Six Final Approach

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    well....there is that. My 530w and 330ES had it....so I didn't bother to rewire them.
     
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    Any old coax/antenna combination that results in no more than a total of 1.5db attenuation will be fine, according to the literature. But, RG-58 that's been soaking in oil and rain water for 30+ years is not something I'd bet on. And, since the reply was intended for an owner who might think the shop is just trying to get more money out of him, I thought it was pertinent. Same goes for the crusty old blind encoders with brittle wiring and cheap connectors.

    But, I'm not Jim Weir. I'm just an old flight line troubleshooter. So, take it for what its worth.
     
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    I did. And say hello to an old flight line troubleshooter who started troubleshooting Narco Superhomers in 1960 when I was 16 in return for flight time. Lessee now, that's comin' up hard on 60 years now, ain't it?

    Jim
     
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    Actually it's Gray code, named after the inventor and nothing to do with the color/shade:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code
     
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    Your petulant correction is much appreciated....thanks pal.;)
     
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    I installed a GDL-82 recently. It is not a big deal, IMO. In my case, I also removed my old AT-50 and installed a used, like new, GTX327. To meet the install requirements of the GDL-82, I also installed a RAMI 74 transponder antenna which is broad banded to be resonant from 978 to 1090mhz...costs about $127 at AC Spruce. I helped a friend with a GDL-82 install in his Cherokee...about a 4 hour project. Setup takes about 30 minutes using a laptop and the Garmin install tool. I passed the flight test on my first attempt last Friday afternoon. I don’t think you will ever find an easier install than Skybeacon...I just got tired of waiting for delivery and I feel like Garmin will be around for a while.
     
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    +1. It was a 4 hour install for me as well. Definitely not as easy as the skybeacon, but with the ADSB rebate deadline approaching, I had to get the GDL82 since the skybeacon wasn't shipping. Additionally the GDL82 doesn't require your NAV's to be on all the time and it comes with a free WAAS GPS antenna. My avionics shop strongly recommended against the uavionix products, they don't feel that they're particularly robust considering that the GDL82 requires the coax for your transponder to pass through the box on it's way to the antenna with a hard connection. The uavionix does not have such a hard connection and I question the robustness of their product/company considering how many promises to the customer they've just blown past.