I guess next month I'm done with Yahoo mail

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Yahoo is going through another one of their spasms of 'updating' their mail service. It used to be a thin client, that was moderately secure and private. Starting in June, they get to look in everything sent, and everything I send.

No thanks.

http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/mail/atos.html

By using the Services, you consent to allow Yahoo!’s automated systems to scan and analyze all incoming and outgoing communications content sent and received from your account (such as Mail and Messenger content including instant messages and SMS messages)
 
So what are you gonna switch to, Gmail ? :rofl:
 
There are several other options. Still looking at them. I doubt gmail will be on the final cut list.
 
So basically Yahoo will finally do something about their spam problem, bravo.
 
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If Yahoo! or Google really wants to know about me...they can find the information.

But honestly, I really don't think they care enough to read my e-mail.
 
My feeling about this is sort of like Rehtt Butler's toward Scarlet O'Hara at the end of Gone With The Wind.

Cheers
 
Doesn't matter. Run your own server, there's still folks illegally tapping all of it. At this point, it's water far under the bridge.
 
denverpilot said:
Doesn't matter. Run your own server, there's still folks illegally tapping all of it. At this point, it's water far under the bridge.
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Yes. The only way you can get past that is potentially to encrypt all of your messages for the entire transport, and unless you've been doing that all along...
 
gprellwitz said:
Yes. The only way you can get past that is potentially to encrypt all of your messages for the entire transport, and unless you've been doing that all along...
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Cannot encrypt unless the recipient agrees to decrypt. Same problem for receipt, too.
 
JeffDG said:
If Yahoo! or Google really wants to know about me...they can find the information.

But honestly, I really don't think they care enough to read my e-mail.
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Ha....

A fun trick to play on all the snoops is to open multiple email accounts and send bizzare messages back and forth......

They can't grasp the concept and it REALLY pi$$es off the fusion centers.;)... Altho after the Boston fiasco fact now surfacing, the DHS fusion centers seem VERY ineffective...:mad2::mad2::rolleyes:
 
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I do some encryption between people that I know of things that I want to be really secure, but of course, most email is without any safeguard. I'm just tired of each service provider getting further and further into my biz, even if that biz isn't really meant to be secure.

I guess I'll make my own email client from my hosted site but that is somewhat of a hassle due to the spam-bots, and the like. What's more, when my outgoing mail hits a yahoo, gmail, or like server, unless it's encrypted, they are going to scan incoming as well. Makes me want to go back to snail mail.
 
gprellwitz said:
Yes. The only way you can get past that is potentially to encrypt all of your messages for the entire transport, and unless you've been doing that all along...
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I have gotten some emails from those privacy nuts. Requires me to set up some sort of account to decrypt the 'envelope' of their message. I usually reply 'send me a letter if it's that important'.

It's email, basically a digital postcard, available for anyone to read who can get his hand in the mailbag.
 
zaitcev said:
Cannot encrypt unless the recipient agrees to decrypt. Same problem for receipt, too.
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Yup. One of the reasons it's never really caught on except in some niche areas. Lack of good, easy to use support in the email clients is another.
 
I've been using TUFFMAIL for years now. They have a good mail server with excellent spam filters. I primarily use IMAP to access it but they have a half a dozen web clients available as well. I also use my own Domain (which is just my name) that I MX to them so if I ever decide to switch email providers I don't have to change my address again.
 
Privacy is a funny thing. We all want it unless there's a good reason not to have it.

Let me put my Google Fanboy hat on for a sec. Google's algorithms do read email going through the gmail servers. On the surface that's bad. But wait. Every email client HAS to read, to some extent, your email. That's how they get delivered. The mailman reads the envelope of every snail mail letter you send too.

So Google goes further and scans the whole email. Scary and creepy and bad right? No. By reading the email they provide service back to the user. Google Now is one of the coolest things ever and you don't even realize how cool it is until it surprises you with its notifications. Besides, it's not like a human reads it. It's just a computer algorithm.

If I get an email from United Airlines with my flight information Google Now knows I'm going on a flight. It knows what airport and what time. Google has traffic information and knows where I am and will give me a notification that based on current traffic I should consider heading to the airport to catch my flight.

It knows when I arrive at the airport and sends me a card with the QR boarding pass right on it.

Point is, I get value so I don't mind. If a company just collects data and gives nothing back then people don't like it...at least I don't. Many many many companies do just that. But if companies use that data to provide benefit for the user then it goes a long way to making that collection worthwhile.

By the way, Google is constantly at odds with big government and their frequent requests to hand over user data. The government asks all the companies for users emails and other data and they all just happily hand it over. Not Google. They ask for warrants and push back. Ultimately they comply with the law...they have to. But at least they push back. You're not going to see that from Yahoo, Microsoft, or even Reagan.com.
 
The expectation of privacy has its place, but the Internet is not private. I don't stand in the middle of a shopping mall and change my clothes. I don't send private information in a plain text email over the public Internet.
 
Captain said:
Privacy is a funny thing. We all want it unless there's a good reason not to have it.

Let me put my Google Fanboy hat on for a sec. Google's algorithms do read email going through the gmail servers. On the surface that's bad. But wait. Every email client HAS to read, to some extent, your email. That's how they get delivered. The mailman reads the envelope of every snail mail letter you send too.

So Google goes further and scans the whole email. Scary and creepy and bad right? No. By reading the email they provide service back to the user. Google Now is one of the coolest things ever and you don't even realize how cool it is until it surprises you with its notifications. Besides, it's not like a human reads it. It's just a computer algorithm.

If I get an email from United Airlines with my flight information Google Now knows I'm going on a flight. It knows what airport and what time. Google has traffic information and knows where I am and will give me a notification that based on current traffic I should consider heading to the airport to catch my flight.

It knows when I arrive at the airport and sends me a card with the QR boarding pass right on it.

Point is, I get value so I don't mind. If a company just collects data and gives nothing back then people don't like it...at least I don't. Many many many companies do just that. But if companies use that data to provide benefit for the user then it goes a long way to making that collection worthwhile.

By the way, Google is constantly at odds with big government and their frequent requests to hand over user data. The government asks all the companies for users emails and other data and they all just happily hand it over. Not Google. They ask for warrants and push back. Ultimately they comply with the law...they have to. But at least they push back. You're not going to see that from Yahoo, Microsoft, or even Reagan.com.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
weilke said:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Look, people who follow this stuff a lot closer than I agree.

Here's a link to an episode of This Week in Google (TWiG) where they discuss this very topic. Scrub to 00:50:15 to get to the pertinent part.

I doubt any minds will change here, but there is another side to the issue whether you agree or not.

Link to TWiG
 
docmirror said:
I do some encryption between people that I know of things that I want to be really secure, but of course, most email is without any safeguard. I'm just tired of each service provider getting further and further into my biz, even if that biz isn't really meant to be secure.
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I remember in one of the early editions of "The Internet for Dummies", they had a section on PGP. One line that I remember (paraphrasing) was "The NSA can probably crack this is seconds, but if the NSA wants to read your e-mail, you have bigger problems than I want to deal with."
 
Captain said:
Privacy is a funny thing. We all want it unless there's a good reason not to have it.

Let me put my Google Fanboy hat on for a sec. Google's algorithms do read email going through the gmail servers. On the surface that's bad. But wait. Every email client HAS to read, to some extent, your email. That's how they get delivered. The mailman reads the envelope of every snail mail letter you send too.

So Google goes further and scans the whole email. Scary and creepy and bad right? No. By reading the email they provide service back to the user. Google Now is one of the coolest things ever and you don't even realize how cool it is until it surprises you with its notifications. Besides, it's not like a human reads it. It's just a computer algorithm.

If I get an email from United Airlines with my flight information Google Now knows I'm going on a flight. It knows what airport and what time. Google has traffic information and knows where I am and will give me a notification that based on current traffic I should consider heading to the airport to catch my flight.

It knows when I arrive at the airport and sends me a card with the QR boarding pass right on it.

Point is, I get value so I don't mind. If a company just collects data and gives nothing back then people don't like it...at least I don't. Many many many companies do just that. But if companies use that data to provide benefit for the user then it goes a long way to making that collection worthwhile.

By the way, Google is constantly at odds with big government and their frequent requests to hand over user data. The government asks all the companies for users emails and other data and they all just happily hand it over. Not Google. They ask for warrants and push back. Ultimately they comply with the law...they have to. But at least they push back. You're not going to see that from Yahoo, Microsoft, or even Reagan.com.
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It's one thing for this kind of "service" being available if the user wants it.

It's another to not be able to opt out of it.
 
Is not sites like Facebook just as bad?

I act like someone is always watching over my shoulder when I am on the computer.

Saying that I thought my e-mail was more secure then what I am hearing here. Everyone is talking about gmail and such what about servers like ComCast?

I only use my comcast account and never use what I would call a third party email service. Should I be doing this?
 
From what I've seen FaceBook is the worst when it comes to user security. That have a looong history of making drastic changes to everyone's settings changing them from opt out to opt in and what not and asking for forgiveness after the fact.

ISPs are a close second to the 'worst' title. They provide nothing (except the service itself) and will at the drop of a hat (and about $7) turn over ALL your internet history to ANY law enforcement agency. Courts have ruled that persons in the US do not have a right secure email...as they do have a right to secure phones. Police need a warrant to tap your phone. They do not to get the ISP to hand over all records including history.

As the link I provided before demonstrates, Google is pretty much alone protecting users rights. Remember when they pulled out of China rather than hand over the emails of suspected 'disidants' to the Chinese government? That's a major stand to pull out of a leading global market to take a stand. Lives may well have been saved as a result as China doesn't look very favorably on revolting citizens.

Anywho...clearly I'm a Google fanboy and I accept that. I think I'm this way though with pretty solid reasons. Google has earned my trust. I've given them EVERYTHING and will continue to do so until they lose my trust.
 
Email is like facebook. It is going to be read and used It will be turned over to any and all pointy headed, sleaze bags, with a badge, that ask.

Trying to keep email a secret, is like trying to hide a set of stock trades.

When I want to keep a conversation private, I send a fax, or a Letter, depending on badly I want to keep it a secret.
 
Captain said:
From what I've seen FaceBook is the worst when it comes to user security. That have a looong history of making drastic changes to everyone's settings changing them from opt out to opt in and what not and asking for forgiveness after the fact.

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Facebook is partially owned by Digital Skies Technologies (DST), a Russian company suspected by every government in the world of being a front for (or at least associated with) both the KGB and the Russian Mob.

The latter organization, which makes the Sicilian mob look like the Cub Scouts by comparison, has primary businesses that happen to include identity theft and other sorts of cybercrime.

And you wonder why FB has a history of privacy issues?

-Rich
 
Hidden, or private <> illegal. I have a lot to hide. None of it is illegal but much of it is confidential.

I don't have Facebook, never have tweeted, no LinkedIn(although I've been asked about a million times), zero social media presence. This forum, and one other are about the extent of my exposure. All I'm trying to do is maintain a modest amount of privacy for elec comm. Without going political, I consider it a huge mistake for electronic mail not having the same privacy that snail mail has. No matter that electronic mail is transmitted on private or commercial traffic paths.

I guess that leaves me with more encryption. Which means two emails per conversation. Oh well, it's better than ATT secure gateway service.
 
docmirror said:
Hidden, or private <> illegal. I have a lot to hide. None of it is illegal but much of it is confidential.

I don't have Facebook, never have tweeted, no LinkedIn(although I've been asked about a million times), zero social media presence. This forum, and one other are about the extent of my exposure. All I'm trying to do is maintain a modest amount of privacy for elec comm. Without going political, I consider it a huge mistake for electronic mail not having the same privacy that snail mail has. No matter that electronic mail is transmitted on private or commercial traffic paths.

I guess that leaves me with more encryption. Which means two emails per conversation. Oh well, it's better than ATT secure gateway service.
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On this I couldn't agree more. It seems the events of 9/11 have given the security folks all the political capital they need to trounce on individual rights. The 'Patriot Act' is a prime example...
 
I don't begrudge yahoo, or gmail from their commercial interest in my email. Surely they are a profit oriented company and will use their leverage to maximize profits. I understand the motive and even commend them for trying to maximize shareholder value through email snooping. It's not illegal, so it must be good.

The problem I have is that there are times when things I don't want to get out are sent via email. One example would be an airline confirmation. I've stopped giving a valid email when booking a flight because there is no reason anyone should be able to tell where I'm going and when unless they have a warrant for that info.

Of course, Yahoo travel likes to know, so they can sell me a condo, or rental car, etc. But it's no longer limited to what Yahoo likes. They'll sell it to Kayak, or Orbitz or anyone willing to pony up the info. They'll also just give it to the feds on request. This is a mistake, and it's going to come back to haunt us in the future.

Hope that's not too political, it's mostly a commercial problem, but there are overtones of trouble from other directions.
 
Google does not sell the content of your email to anyone. I doubt any other company does either. They use computers to scrape the email for signals they can use TO SERVE YOU and only you.

If I get an email with a flight itinery on it and google sees that and uses it to provide me the destination weather or an alert that the 905 is backed up and I should leave early to catch my flight then that's good IMO.

If they sell that info to some time share company so they can sell me crap then I'd be gone from google that day. They don't do that.
 
Captain said:
Google does not sell the content of your email to anyone. I doubt any other company does either. They use computers to scrape the email for signals they can use TO SERVE YOU and only you.

If I get an email with a flight itinery on it and google sees that and uses it to provide me the destination weather or an alert that the 905 is backed up and I should leave early to catch my flight then that's good IMO.

If they sell that info to some time share company so they can sell me crap then I'd be gone from google that day. They don't do that.
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Wake up and smell the massive profits.....

Google stock didn't go up 500% without maximizing their potential..... They will sell their mothers private thoughts if they could make a buck..

What they tell you, and you repeat here and what is reality is 180 degrees off..
 
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N801BH said:
Wake up and smell the massive profits.....

Google stock didn't go up 500% without maximizing their potential..... They will sell their mothers private thoughts if they could make a buck..

What they tell you, and you repeat here and what is reality in 180 degrees off..
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Couldn't agree more.
 
You are free to believe whatever you choose. Reality is what it is and I actively seek out information pertaining to tech. I'm going to go with I'm more informed. I've posted several links supporting my view.

Consider the roses smelled.
 
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