Help out an 11 year old girl with aviation aspirations?

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I'm not sure I understand the need for a CAP fundraiser. Where is the group, state and wing budget for the squadron? Did the squadron submit a budget request for what they need and was turned down?
 
Flyer says they are looking to fund a drill team and membership drive.
 
I know very little about CAP (despite this squadron being at my home field), but from the email that the 11 year old sent out:

"The money we raise will help us have more activities like encampments and emergency services training. I'm hoping to learn about the emergency services and search+rescue and even learn to fly."

I'm asking for more detail and will provide it if/when I get it. I bought a $5 coupon book simply because it's a friend's niece. When I saw the aviation tie, I figured I'd post it here. I guess I should've gotten some more background before posting...
 
From the 11 year old's dad:
"It is Wisconsin Wing Squadron 002. As I understand it, the money doesn't get the activities off the ground but helps keep the kids involved by defraying some of the cost of getting them there. I've been told it also helps to afford drill team uniforms and such. The Air Force and the Wisconsin Wing do have budgets for these activities, but we have seen monetary outlays from cadets and families that can make it very difficult to send them. Fundraising is part of how the units pay for their activities."
 
Joining the EAA and going to meetings would be much better for her if flying is the goal.

I'd even be willing to pay for her years long EAA membership. I wouldn't give a penny to the CAP.
 
Seanaldinho said:
They occassionally will do ceremonies for different events. If for some reason the base colorguard cant do it. Same idea as a JROTC colorguard.
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I am sure David White will be chiming in soon...:D...:D...:lol:
 
Henning said:
Paramilitary Drill team for 11 year olds? Why does CAP need drill teams at all?
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So the kids that get picked on in Middle School have a place to practice being Nazis before Oshkosh. Last year when I tried to break into the CAP compound I was met at the gate and told I wasn't allowed in because they had "classified documents" the year before it was because "it's a government facility" LOL!

I've just learned to laugh at the little tards and move along.
 
Cadet competition teams in CAP are just as competitive and require just as many fundraisers as band, sports teams, etc. "Paramilitary drill" only make up 2 of the 7 events that are part of the "Drill Team" competition. The remainder of the events (with the exception of a graded uniform inspection) involve team sports, individual fitness, team academic, and individual academic competitions. Having attended two of these as a cadet a ton of years ago as well as having been involved in sports and band in my school, I can honestly say that the experiences are similar, and the friendships you make are lifelong and worthwhile.

It is highly unusual to have an 11 year old cadet member but there is a limited exception that can allow it under controlled circumstances.

Picking on a kid trying to raise money for something like this is not a mark of maturity. I know quite a few cadets and seniors in CAP who have earned pilot certificates - and perhaps gone on to own planes - for no other reason than the exposure to general aviation and aerospace education, myself included. GA folks might want to be a bit more accepting since it can't really afford to alienate advocacy organizations that actively hold GA in high esteem.
 
Seanaldinho said:
They occassionally will do ceremonies for different events. If for some reason the base colorguard cant do it. Same idea as a JROTC colorguard.
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During the couple weeks of sequestration, CAP cadet color guards were the only option for military funerals, honors, etc. at least in Colorado.
 
CAP is a far from perfect organization, at the roots its a great program. However, like everything it can be terribly mismanaged. My squadron has some great senior members who all care about the cadets and helping them with whatever it may be (e.g. flying, physical fitness, school work, etc). It also has a few lemons who just want to wear a uniform and be in charge. The biggest drawback I found is that the promotions for cadets were far to easy to attain (testing was to easy, very few people failed a test whether it was drill, pt, or a review board they shouldnt pass because they are not leaders). I have stopped going because the cadets leaders are very young (compared to me), terrible leaders, unwilling to compromise, and too immature. Other squadrons have great cadets and bad seniors. Other squadrons are struggling with both.

Ultimately, its a good chance for some kids to get exposure to flying, discipline, and some social interaction (quite a few home schooled kids attend - no offense Dave).
 
murphey said:
During the couple weeks of sequestration, CAP cadet color guards were the only option for military funerals, honors, etc. at least in Colorado.
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It as a SAD state of affairs when fellow military members would NOT attend another soldiers funeral, sequestration or not....:mad::(..

God help this disfunctional country....:sad:
 
ChrisK said:
Cadet competition teams in CAP are just as competitive and require just as many fundraisers as band, sports teams, etc. "Paramilitary drill" only make up 2 of the 7 events that are part of the "Drill Team" competition. The remainder of the events (with the exception of a graded uniform inspection) involve team sports, individual fitness, team academic, and individual academic competitions. Having attended two of these as a cadet a ton of years ago as well as having been involved in sports and band in my school, I can honestly say that the experiences are similar, and the friendships you make are lifelong and worthwhile.

It is highly unusual to have an 11 year old cadet member but there is a limited exception that can allow it under controlled circumstances.

Picking on a kid trying to raise money for something like this is not a mark of maturity. I know quite a few cadets and seniors in CAP who have earned pilot certificates - and perhaps gone on to own planes - for no other reason than the exposure to general aviation and aerospace education, myself included. GA folks might want to be a bit more accepting since it can't really afford to alienate advocacy organizations that actively hold GA in high esteem.
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Please point out where someone is picking on the kid. If she wants to fly, she'll get far more rides in the EAA.
 
No one is picking on the kid, on the contrary CAP is pimping her age and gender for bucks. We all know CAP, yes there are some, limited, good opportunities but it mostly a waste of money and time and paper. Lots of paper. Dear god the trees those bastard CAPers kill.:D
 
ClimbnSink said:
No one is picking on the kid, on the contrary CAP is pimping her age and gender for bucks. We all know CAP, yes there are some, limited, good opportunities but it mostly a waste of money and time and paper. Lots of paper. Dear god the trees those bastard CAPers kill.:D
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CAP runs off far more members than it attracts.
 
I've done some pretty dumb things in airplanes before. All of them I regret. None of them endangered anyone else. I know of a CAP pilot who took off at night in IMC from a high-DA airport with passengers.

Oh, and he was flying a turbo Saratoga (dual-mag setup) and one of the mags was chucking teeth. The next day he went to *fly* it to the mechanic, but it wouldn't start.

The same turbo Saratoga he managed to destroy an exhaust in every year because he had no idea what a TIT gauge was...he flew it like a normal plane.
 
Henning said:
CAP runs off far more members than it attracts.
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I had another CAP cadet once ask me if I had a pilots license, I said yes, and he went on to tell me how he was licensed to fly Cessna 172s for the Civil Air Patrol
 
N801BH said:
It as a SAD state of affairs when fellow military members would NOT attend another soldiers funeral, sequestration or not....:mad::(..

God help this disfunctional country....:sad:
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Color guards came under the same restrictions as the Thunderbirds, and all other demonstration and non-mission duties. No one said fellow military didn't attend.
 
DavidWhite said:
Please point out where someone is picking on the kid. If she wants to fly, she'll get far more rides in the EAA.
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Actually no. CAP cadets get much more flight time and IIRC the opportunity for low-cost flight training.
 
DavidWhite said:
I've done some pretty dumb things in airplanes before. All of them I regret. None of them endangered anyone else. I know of a CAP pilot who took off at night in IMC from a high-DA airport with passengers.

Oh, and he was flying a turbo Saratoga (dual-mag setup) and one of the mags was chucking teeth. The next day he went to *fly* it to the mechanic, but it wouldn't start.

The same turbo Saratoga he managed to destroy an exhaust in every year because he had no idea what a TIT gauge was...he flew it like a normal plane.
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No, you know of a stupid pilot that also happened to be a member of CAP.
 
DavidWhite said:
Joining the EAA and going to meetings would be much better for her if flying is the goal.



I'd even be willing to pay for her years long EAA membership. I wouldn't give a penny to the CAP.
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I know you dislike the organization, but COWG was credited with saving someone's life last week.

It ain't all bad. The little blonde you like to pick on over on FB, now she's bad. Real bad.
 
murphey said:
Color guards came under the same restrictions as the Thunderbirds, and all other demonstration and non-mission duties. No one said fellow military didn't attend.
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Poor analagy........

Thunderbirds use 20 million dollar jets that suck 100 gallons of JetA a minute... A soldier that is been sequestured in just sitting around and can easiely put on their uniform and attend a simple funeral... After all , they are NOT working and doing nothing else...

PS... ALL government workers who were "laid off temporarly" were paid in full the next pay period...:mad2::mad:....
 
murphey said:
Actually no. CAP cadets get much more flight time and IIRC the opportunity for low-cost flight training.
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5 hours sel, 5 glider flights if they can find a cap glider op. For the hours they put in marching it ain't much.
 
Have her try the young eagles program with an eaa chapter,may even get the opportunity to build an aircraft. I have had a few cap cadets fly with me in the young eagles program.
 
murphey said:
Actually no. CAP cadets get much more flight time and IIRC the opportunity for low-cost flight training.
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When I was 8 years old my dad took me to local EAA meetings every second Saturday of the month because I always got to go for an airplane ride. Something tells me CAP doesn't fly every month.
 
N801BH said:
Poor analagy........

Thunderbirds use 20 million dollar jets that suck 100 gallons of JetA a minute... A soldier that is been sequestured in just sitting around and can easiely put on their uniform and attend a simple funeral... After all , they are NOT working and doing nothing else...

PS... ALL government workers who were "laid off temporarly" were paid in full the next pay period...:mad2::mad:....
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Not an analogy...those were the ground rules for sequestration....across the board stand down for ceremonial or demonstration activities. The military was not allowed to pick and choose when it involved non-mission critical duty.
 
murphey said:
Not an analogy...those were the ground rules for sequestration....across the board stand down for ceremonial or demonstration activities. The military was not allowed to pick and choose when it involved non-mission critical duty.
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At what point are all the common sense military members going to jump ship and do the correct thing and ditch the bizarre commands from idiot supervisors.:idea:.....;)
 
Everskyward said:
I'm sure we could come up with lists of Darwin award winning EAA members too, along with members of any other group you can think of.
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yeah.... murphy asked for CAP idiots.. And I delivered... ma'am..
 
N801BH said:
At what point are all the common sense military members going to jump ship and do the correct thing and ditch the bizarre commands from idiot supervisors.:idea:.....;)
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They do that by not re-enlisting.
 
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