Got “thrown out” of an airport today

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TampaPilot said:
No

I have no affliction with that plane or any management or FBOs or even lawnmowers at that field

I don’t know what else I can say, I’m going to get back to work now
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I wonder why people who have no affiliation with the operation or airport are getting texts about this thread. Salty must have quite a following. All I know is that if it were me, I'd let the operator explain it all to the FSDO.

Easily reported via the FAA hotline, by salty or anyone else who's seen the video.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/aae/programs_services/faa_hotlines
 
Capngrog said:
Except that many, if not most, current Florida residents are from somewhere else. The owner of the aircraft that is the subject of this thread is from from New York.
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Yup. I'd bet there was not a lot of people in the Midwest standing out on airport ramps last weekend for something like this to even be a possibility there.
 
steingar said:
Guy loads fake warbird running, and gets out of the cockpit (while running) to sort out passengers, Florida. Does this with a gaggle of unauthorized folks nearby. Florida. Unmarked untrained marshaller inches from the spinning prop. Florida.

But the kicker is folks coming in to defend all this.
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All this, exactly. I know that opinions are like a-holes and everybody has one, but, bottom line this was just absolutely stupid behavior on the part of the Yak driver.

And how/why did the discussion veer into program letters on experimental exhibition aircraft? What on earth does that have to do with stupid pilot behavior?
 
The activity depicted in the video is not something I would do. I think you had valid safety concerns. That said, being told to leave and escorted to your aircraft shows your methods employed to alleviate your safety concerns could use some work. If you think you may find yourself in similar situations I would really recommend at least reading the first part of this book: https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034 you may find you are more successful in similar future situations...
 
idahoflier said:
The activity depicted in the video is not something I would do. I think you had valid safety concerns. That said, being told to leave and escorted to your aircraft shows your methods employed to alleviate your safety concerns could use some work. If you think you may find yourself in similar situations I would really recommend at least reading the first part of this book: https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034 you may find you are more successful in similar future situations...
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Perhaps. Or perhaps I simply hit a nerve?
 
UngaWunga said:
Yeah, he's obviously posting videos to get subscibers!
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There isn't much rhyme or reason for why some get relegated to the Media section and others don't.

I opened thread where I wanted to discuss the future automation of ATC but because I referenced a video (no it wasn't from my u-toob channel) it went to the media circus blackhole and died ... :dunno:
 
idahoflier said:
The activity depicted in the video is not something I would do. I think you had valid safety concerns. That said, being told to leave and escorted to your aircraft shows your methods employed to alleviate your safety concerns could use some work. If you think you may find yourself in similar situations I would really recommend at least reading the first part of this book: https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034 you may find you are more successful in similar future situations...
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The problem is that when you see someone in imminent danger, there is neither time to be diplomatic nor time to introduce one's self.
 
Pardon me young squire. You appear to not be aware that a toddler running into a busy street is likely to be seriously injured. Would you mind terribly if I asked you to stop running toward the street so we might discuss it over some tea?
 
idahoflier said:
Really? So what was the result of Salty's approach and interaction? Did anything change?
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If blue shirt hadn't been part of the problem, what I did might very well have been helpful.
 
idahoflier said:
Really? So what was the result of Salty's approach and interaction? Did anything change?
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We may not ever know the answer but hopefully there were a few here that will consider their surroundings and be a bit more cautious when operating an aircraft in the vicinity of humans that may not be aware of the dangers ...
 
Salty said:
Pardon me young squire. You appear to not be aware that a toddler running into a busy street is likely to be seriously injured. Would you mind terribly if I asked you to stop running toward the street so we might discuss it over some tea?
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Close, but probably better to mail a polite written note. Give Darwin a chance.
 
idahoflier said:
Maybe, but it wasn't. Your position on this is ironic. Best of luck in similar situations...
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So, I shouldn't have tried to prevent someone from putting themselves in danger, because maybe he already knows and doesn't care?

No thanks.

The guy hobbled out in front of the plane with a brace on his leg. There was no indication that he knew what he was doing.
 
Half Fast said:
Close, but probably better to mail a polite written note. Give Darwin a chance.
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With your musical ability and channeling a bit of Al Yankovic I can hear a parody of Lennon's "Give peace (Darwin) a chance" ...
 
Salty said:
So, I shouldn't have tried to prevent someone from putting themselves in danger, because maybe he already knows and doesn't care?

No thanks.

The guy hobbled out in front of the plane with a brace on his leg. There was no indication that he knew what he was doing.
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OMG you appear to have a serious persecution problem...

If you REALLY felt "blue shirt" or (whomever was standing in front of the aircraft) was in immediate danger, then why didn't you approach him directly vs whipping out your cell phone and proceeding to walk around the aircraft away from the person you felt was in immediate danger videoing the situation?
 
idahoflier said:
OMG you appear to have a serious persecution problem...

If you REALLY felt "blue shirt" or (whomever was standing in front of the aircraft) was in immediate danger, then why didn't you approach him directly vs whipping out your cell phone and proceeding to walk around the aircraft away from the person you felt was in immediate danger videoing the situation?
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You have not read my description of what happened.

The video did not occur until after I tried to warn the blue shirt gentleman.

quote directly from my OP

One gentleman with a brace on his leg stepped in front of the prop and I yelled at him to get away from the prop. He yelled back that he was “protecting the kids”. That’s when I took the video.
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Salty said:
You have not read my description of what happened.

The video did not occur until after I tried to warn the blue shirt gentleman.
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OK, sorry, I guess I missed that somewhere in the 6 pages. Anyway, Merry Christmas...
 
Salty said:
So, I shouldn't have tried to prevent someone from putting themselves in danger, because maybe he already knows and doesn't care?

No thanks.

The guy hobbled out in front of the plane with a brace on his leg. There was no indication that he knew what he was doing.
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No one looked to be in danger before you showed up and caused a airport or FBO EMPLOYEE to rush out to save eyes in his cell phone man

Blue shirt worker probably looked out the window, saw some random guy super close to a running aircraft with his head down in his phone, went out to stop you, you gave him lip and he kicked you off the airport for safety, blue shirt was more active in making things safe than you were, full stop




What indication did anyone in that video have that YOU knew what you were doing?
 
TampaPilot said:
No one looked to be in danger before you showed up and caused a airport or FBO EMPLOYEE to come out save cell phone man

Blue shirt worker probably looked out the window, saw some random guy super close to a running aircraft with his head down in his phone, went out to stop you, you have him lip and he kicked you off the airport for safety, blue shirt was more active in making things safe than you were, full stop




What indication did anyone in that video have that YOU knew what you were doing?
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The airport employee was the one that I felt was in danger and did not know what he was doing. He was standing 10 feet in front of a propellor with no pilot in the aircraft. You can see him doing still doing it at the end of the video.
 
Salty said:
You have not read my description of what happened.

The video did not occur until after I tried to warn the blue shirt gentleman.

quote directly from my OP
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Ahh, funny the one possible redeeming thing you did there didn’t happen to make the cut
 
Salty said:
The airport employee was the one that I felt was in danger and did not know what he was doing. He was standing 10 feet in front of a propellor with no pilot in the aircraft. You can see him doing still doing it at the end of the video.
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He was trying to save a person who was way out of place (you)

If you hadn’t been doing what you were doing he wouldn’t have come rushing out to keep a guy on his cellphone, dangerously close to a running plane he had nothing to do with, from possibly getting himself or someone else hurt


The scene was looked completely benign until you interjected yourself into it face down in your cellphone
 
TampaPilot said:
No one looked to be in danger before you showed up and caused a airport or FBO EMPLOYEE to come out save cell phone man

Blue shirt worker probably looked out the window, saw some random guy super close to a running aircraft with his head down in his phone, went out to stop you, you have him lip and he kicked you off the airport for safety, blue shirt was more active in making things safe than you were, full stop

What indication did anyone in that video have that YOU knew what you were doing?
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So...

There is a running airplane. There are no pilots in any position to stop or control the plane if anything went wrong. There are people to the side, people in front (a whole restaurant full of people), and people climbing in the plane. A man walks up to the plane, and starts yelling over the engine noise to a man standing in front of the prop. Then the man who walked up to the plane takes out his phone and makes a recording. Where does this sound like a "random bystander unaware and on his phone" to you?

How anyone thinks that it is a defendable action to load a running plane on an unsecured ramp with untrained personnel in the area, I don't know.
 
TampaPilot said:
He was trying to save a person who was way out of place (you)

If you hadn’t been doing what you were doing he wouldn’t have come rushing out to keep a guy on his cellphone, dangerously close to a running plane he had nothing to do with, from possibly getting himself or someone else hurt
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Your nonsensical comments are not supported by the video. I was behind the airplane and the employee was in front of the propellor in the video.
 
SkyChaser said:
How anyone thinks that it is a defendable action to load a running plane on an unsecured ramp with untrained personal in the area, I don't know.
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No one. And I repeat. No one in this thread has defended it.
 
SkyChaser said:
So...

There is a running airplane. There are no pilots in any position to stop or control the plane if anything went wrong. There are people to the side, people in front (a whole restaurant full of people), and people climbing in the plane. A man walks up to the plane, and starts yelling over the engine noise to a man standing in front of the prop. Then the man who walked up to the plane takes out his phone and makes a recording. Where does this sound like a "random bystander unaware and on his phone" to you?

How anyone thinks that it is a defendable action to load a running plane on an unsecured ramp with untrained personal in the area, I don't know.
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He was a random bystander! lol
 
Salty said:
Your nonsensical comments are not supported by the video. I was behind the airplane and the employee was in front of the propellor in the video.
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And had you not been very close to a running plane that you had NOTHING to do with he wouldn’t have had to come out to escort you away like a unattended child
 
TampaPilot said:
You were a random bystander! lol
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I sure wasn't. I was at least a couple of hundred miles away. But from the sounds of it, there was no airport employee hero, there was just an idiot defending an operation that has gotten people killed in the past, and has no reason for needing to be done in this situation.
 
SkyChaser said:
I sure wasn't. I was at least a couple of hundred miles away. But from the sounds of it, there was no airport employee hero, there was just an idiot defending an operation that has gotten people killed in the past, and has no reason for needing to be done in this situation.
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I saw that and just corrected it, “he”

Sure the worker was, maybe not a “hero” but he did more for safety than Greg did, he saw a random heads down in his cell phone walking around a running plane and rushed to escort him to safety
 
Mtns2Skies said:
No one. And I repeat. No one in this thread has defended it.
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I would think it's fair to say that TampaPilot has and is actively defending it, and that others who say that Salty should have just got in his plane and gone home without saying anything to anyone are, for all intents and purposes, defending the practice as well.

I think that people get defensive when others start videoing in this day and age, and I'm sure that didn't help the matter any. I don't think I would have posted the video in a forum. But I would have gone up to that guy, showed him my license, and told him that he is doing something very, very unsafe, and if I got a dismissive response or ever saw that happening again, I would report them to the FSDO. Because it is EXTREMELY dangerous.
 
TampaPilot said:
I saw that and just corrected it, “he”

Sure the worker was, maybe not a “hero” but he did more for safety than Greg did, he saw a random heads down in his cell phone walking around a running plane and rushed to escort him to safety
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And just think. If the airport guys had just followed normal safety rules, there would have been no "safety" issue at all. I honestly don't see how you think that is what was going on, unless you were the misinformed airport employee who was upset that anyone tried to tell you that what you were allowing to happen was stupid and dangerous.
 
SkyChaser said:
And just think. If the airport guys had just followed normal safety rules, there would have been no "safety" issue at all. I honestly don't see how you think that is what was going on, unless you were the misinformed airport employee who was upset that anyone tried to tell you that what you were allowing to happen was stupid and dangerous.
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I’ve just done more than 172 burger flying

To me hotloading is not that scary, I also understand how most all yaks use a limited supply of air, normally a scuba tank to start, as do many pilots who fly more interesting planes.

If I walked by that scene, and I would have been a respectful distance away, my thought would have been pretty yak and lucky pax are going to have a great time
 
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