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[denverpilot]

I would think that if he had the skills to scrub off that speed he would have had the skills to have not landed so badly in the first place.

Superb point. I was just lamenting it. I don't know what he was flying but getting most things sideways will scrub a lot of energy off when needed.

Becoming a lost art. Children of the Stabilized Approach and all, gotta drag it in from ten miles out with power...

 

[timwinters]

Funny how airports with an ILS paint big touchdown markers on the runway at the 1000' mark. They even call it the touchdown point.

And I'm almost always turning off of the runway before I get to them. :wink2:

(If there's a taxiway available)

 

[alfadog]

Superb point. I was just lamenting it. I don't know what he was flying but getting most things sideways will scrub a lot of energy off when needed.

Becoming a lost art. Children of the Stabilized Approach and all, gotta drag it in from ten miles out with power...

You have to know that you're high and hot before you can start thinking about how to fix it. I doubt he had any idea what was going on, in fact it looked like he was diving for the numbers. That was probably his solution to the "short" runway.

 

[alfadog]

At my home drome, I almost always come in on a 6000' runway looking to turn off at the second to last of five exits. So I fly past the first 4000' or so of runway and and land so as pull off just before the far fixed distance marker. At the 2600',grass strip I also fly out of, I have a road and a fence directly abutting one end and trees at the other so I'm definitely down in the first four hundred feet or so.

 

[Hank S]

You have to know that you're high and hot before you can start thinking about how to fix it. I doubt he had any idea what was going on, in fact it looked like he was diving for the numbers. That was probably his solution to the "short" runway.

Watching the far end of the runway getting close while you're in the air should be enough. I was taught to pick a spot about 1/3 down the runway while in downwind, and if not landed by then to go around . . .

 

[James331]

If it's a huge runway and the fuel/FBO/hangar is on the far end, sure Ill land long.

As for the majority of small airports, nope.

It's just energy management and aim points, not rocket surgery to be able to tell where you're going to end up.


As far as burning 33% of the available landing distance on a 3k runway, nope, whole lot of nope and that even in a STOL plane.

 

[mscard88]

The 1000' touchdown zone is designed to give plenty of ass end clearance for a 100-150' long jet that approaches in a tail low attitude. .

Holy smokes! Where the heck did you find that tidbit of aeronautical knowledge? Do you even know what you're talking about? Totally bullcrap my friend.

 

[RotorAndWing]

If we are talking a B747-400 on an ILS, at threshold the main gear will clear the runway by 44 feet. If following the FD to touchdown the main gear will touch the runway at approximately 500 feet from threshold. If a moderate flare is done that lengthens to almost 1000' from threshold.

 

[dell30rb]

Holy smokes! Where the heck did you find that tidbit of aeronautical knowledge? Do you even know what you're talking about? Totally bullcrap my friend.

This was brought up here before. One of the reasons listed for a 1000' touchdown zone on larger aircraft is that they might hit things, like the approach lighting or an airport fence if you "aimed for the numbers" like one might normally do in a GA aircraft. Made sense to me.

 

[Hank S]

This was brought up here before. One of the reasons listed for a 1000' touchdown zone on larger aircraft is that they might hit things, like the approach lighting or an airport fence if you "aimed for the numbers" like one might normally do in a GA aircraft. Made sense to me.

So that's what happened in San Francisco!

 

[flyingron]

Funny how airports with an ILS paint big touchdown markers on the runway at the 1000' mark. They even call it the touchdown point. Guess all those airline pilots are confused by that one.

The big white ones (1000') are the AIMING POINT MARKERS. The markers every 500' (including the aiming point markers) are called the TOUCHDOWN ZONE MARKERS.

The Touchdown Zone is defined as the first 3000' of runway. There is a thing called the touchdown point but it's NOT defined as 1000' down the runway. It's a function of the TCH and the glidepath angle. It is often short of the 1000' marker. This only really has any meaning for instrument approaches.

 

[Jay Honeck]

I'm shocked that anyone is shocked at this video. We see this ALL THE TIME at our island airport.

We once watched a C-182 driver go around twice because he couldn't "squeeze it in" to our "tiny" 3500' runway. The first attempt looked like a high speed pass, the second looked like a touch and go. He got it down and stopped on the third try, but he used it all. He had to be doing 85 knots over the numbers. Can you say "float"?

Apparently when you fly off of a 6000'+ runway, it's scary to land over water on a 3500' one.

 

[alfadog]

I'm shocked that anyone is shocked at this video. We see this ALL THE TIME at our island airport.
...

Apparently when you fly off of a 6000'+ runway, it's scary to land over water on a 3500' one.

Saw a sign the other day at the FBO (flight school) where my friend rents. No-one is allowed to land one of their aircraft at X01. That's not just students, that's no-one. I don't know if it's an insurance thing or if they have doubts in their own abilities to teach someone to fly an airplane or to check out an existing pilot. Personally, I love flying in there. Pleasant airport, cheap gas, and any restaurant in the "city" will send someone out in the car to pick you up at no charge.

I flew there a lot when I was trying to build up my XC time for my IR a few years back because, guess what:

From KTMB- Miami Executive Airport
To X01- Everglades Airpark
53.1 nautical miles WNW
Initial true course: 283

Dimensions: 2400 x 60 ft. / 732 x 18 m
Surface: asphalt/turf, in good condition
RY 15/33 HAS A 50 FT ASPHALT CENTER WITH A 5 FT TURF EDGE ON EACH SIDE.

 

[Jay Honeck]

Saw a sign the other day at the FBO (flight school) where my friend rents. No-one is allowed to land one of their aircraft at X01. That's not just students, that's no-one. I don't know if it's an insurance thing or if they have doubts in their own abilities to teach someone to fly an airplane or to check out an existing pilot. Personally, I love flying in there. Pleasant airport, cheap gas, and any restaurant in the "city" will send someone out in the car to pick you up at no charge.

I flew there a lot when I was trying to build up my XC time for my IR a few years back because, guess what:

From KTMB- Miami Executive Airport
To X01- Everglades Airpark
53.1 nautical miles WNW
Initial true course: 283

Dimensions: 2400 x 60 ft. / 732 x 18 m
Surface: asphalt/turf, in good condition
RY 15/33 HAS A 50 FT ASPHALT CENTER WITH A 5 FT TURF EDGE ON EACH SIDE.

If a pilot can't get a Cessna/Piper/Beechcraft/Mooney/RV/whatever single down and stopped in 2400', they need recurrent training.

 

[flyingron]

Getting it down isn't often as difficult as getting it off again though that place looks like there's no real obstructions to worry about.

 

[Jay Honeck]

Getting it down isn't often as difficult as getting it off again though that place looks like there's no real obstructions to worry about.

lol We flew clapped out rental Cherokee 140s out of Sylvania Field when the kids were little. All 2300' of it, with two adults and two kids aboard. Winter, summer, whatever.

I guess I'm lucky to be alive. :wink2:

 

[dell30rb]

Getting it down isn't often as difficult as getting it off again though that place looks like there's no real obstructions to worry about.

Its Jackson Co. 24A. About 15 mins past Asheville. Cool airport if you have a reason to go. I've been a few times for fly fishing trips.

 

[flyingron]

lol We flew clapped out rental Cherokee 140s out of Sylvania Field when the kids were little. All 2300' of it, with two adults and two kids aboard. Winter, summer, whatever.

I guess I'm lucky to be alive. :wink2:

Depends if there's anything off the end of the runway and how hot it is. The POS Cherokee probably needs 1800 at 0 DA at gross. Jump the DA to 3000 and it can get dicey for those not following their best short field takeoff procedures.

We used to take the skyhawk to a little private strip with big trees off both ends. It was my best short field technique to get out of there. The Navions were all breaking ground at midfield...that's when I realized I needed a Navion.

 

[BillTIZ]

Its Jackson Co. 24A. About 15 mins past Asheville. Cool airport if you have a reason to go. I've been a few times for fly fishing trips.

That's a beautiful airport! Land uphill, takeoff downhill.
What's the slope?

 

[alfadog]

That's a beautiful airport! Land uphill, takeoff downhill.
What's the slope?

On 33, up 1.6%.

 

[Hank S]

Its Jackson Co. 24A. About 15 mins past Asheville. Cool airport if you have a reason to go. I've been a few times for fly fishing trips.

Hey, it's been repaved!

 

[Kritchlow]

Have never seen the two stripe per side runway markings before.

 

[fiveoboy01]

Number of stripes indicates runway width.

 

[Kritchlow]

Number of stripes indicates runway width.

25' per stripe?

 

[fiveoboy01]

There are two configurations. One is simply 4 stripes on each side of the centerline, the other configuration is bars related to width of runway:

60 feet - 4 stripes
75 feet - 6 stripes
100 feet - 8 stripes
150 feet - 12 stripes
200 feet - 16 stripes

 

[Kritchlow]

There are two configurations. One is simply 4 stripes on each side of the centerline, the other configuration is bars related to width of runway:

60 feet - 4 stripes
75 feet - 6 stripes
100 feet - 8 stripes
150 feet - 12 stripes
200 feet - 16 stripes

Interesting. Learn something new every day.

 

[BigBadLou]

I'm shocked that anyone is shocked at this video. We see this ALL THE TIME at our island airport.

We once watched a C-182 driver go around twice because he couldn't "squeeze it in" to our "tiny" 3500' runway. The first attempt looked like a high speed pass, the second looked like a touch and go. He got it down and stopped on the third try, but he used it all. He had to be doing 85 knots over the numbers. Can you say "float"?

Apparently when you fly off of a 6000'+ runway, it's scary to land over water on a 3500' one.

Been to your "tiny" airport several times, Jay, (well, you sure know that but others don't) and never had a problem making the turnoff in the middle. Actually never needed more than half the runway. Always came on speed and put her down safely. And yes, I normally fly out of a 6000' rwy at home.

But we also have a 2000' "old" rwy that I use from time to time to keep my energy management skills sharp.
Oh snap! The little runway is only 1550 x 25 ft. / 472 x 8 m! Sweet. My Cherokee wingspan is wider. You better be on your x-wind correction or you're going in the grass.
That little rwy is my own measurement of my skills. If I can't put her down safely on that tiny patch of asphalt, I better retrain.

Now go fly, people, it is a gorgeous week out there!

 

[alfadog]

...

But we also have a 2000' "old" rwy that I use from time to time to keep my energy management skills sharp.
Oh snap! The little runway is only 1550 x 25 ft. / 472 x 8 m! Sweet. My Cherokee wingspan is wider. You better be on your x-wind correction or you're going in the grass.
That little rwy is my own measurement of my skills. If I can't put her down safely on that tiny patch of asphalt, I better retrain.

Now go fly, people, it is a gorgeous week out there!

That's pretty neat, having that extra little runway there and kept open.

 

[BigBadLou]

That's pretty neat, having that extra little runway there and kept open.

They use it a lot for banner tows these days. (I can't see that happening on the big runway with all the jet traffic)

This is the original runway (used to be grass years ago) and was used for skydiving. Us "small guys" still use it on windy days when the wind is howling straight down the little runway, just for fun. Glad they kept it!!