Frequency change when departing D

Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by zaitcev, Jun 19, 2018.

  1. EdFred

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    Evidently some posters think that tower = APP/DEP.

    Outside the surface area of a B/C but still inside the "cake"? The AIM allows you to switch to departure. Switching to departure is not going silent.

    RIF.
     
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    The AIM says, "...it is not necessary to request permission to leave the tower frequency once outside of Class B, Class C, and Class D surface areas." It should say "...outside of Class B, Class C, and Class D airspace."
     
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    ^^ This.

    I've had tower ask, "Bugsmasher 123, you still on?" if I've already cleared the Class D and he wants to advise me of traffic or something. If I answer, great; if I've already switched, or turned the radio off, no biggie.
     
  4. mryan75

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    He was not on FF. No departure to contact.
     
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    If you're outside the guy's airspace you can change frequencies, you don't have to ask. If you're inside the guy's airspace you can change frequencies, you just have to ask first. I only do it if I have a good reason, for example to switch to the CTAF of the nearby airport at which I'm landing. I've never had any trouble with it at all.
     
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    Wait. There’s cake?!

    Nobody told me. I like cake. :)
     
  7. EdFred

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    I've not gotten FF many times and still get handed off to departure. Leaving the local C to come home I get handed off to departure before I'm 2000. I get to 3000 still inside the C call my home field in sight and they terminate me. No flight following but still contact departure. Explain that.
     
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    If you're departing from a class B, as in the aim quote we're talking about, there is almost CERTAINLY a departure to contact.

    Besides, who do you think is providing flight following if you are in a terminal area?
     
  9. N1120A

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    Some Ds will give you a frequency change before you exit, like 1500' or so AGL if they know you are departing the area and didn't get FF on the ground, for whatever reason. Some will actually keep giving you advisories after you've climbed above, as a courtesy and then send you to whomever. If you are out of their airspece, you may not need to ask for a change, but it isn't exactly rude to tell them you are switching
     
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    "ridr"?
     
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    I can never decide which is more fun.
    • Reading posts about how horrible and unsafe empty communications are.
    • Reading posts justifying empty communication as important.
     
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    At least we're not having these arguments over the radio...
     
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    "Podunk traffic, Cessna 345, I'd recommend Bob's Steak House and I am now short final runway 36."
     
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    Haha! I'm going to start using "last call" as I depart an airspace, but I'm going to use "alcohol" instead of "alpha" for my tail number.

    "Podunk traffic, last call for bugsmasher 151 al-key-hall"
     
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    Instead of Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, you mean something like Absinthe, Brandy, Cognac? You might be on something there. What could possibly go wrong ;)
     
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    Sorry Jack, I'm *THAT* guy ... our field is fairly busy and in just over 750 hours I've been the guy #2 behind the white cessna that doesn't make the exit due to damage or flat tire at least 5 times.
     
  18. midlifeflyer

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    You mean you would have hit them if you didn't tell them you had them in sight? :eek:
     
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    Beat me to it. Hahaha.

    If someone’s disabled on the runway they can announce they’re stuck there, all the other folks have to do is say they’re going around.
     
  20. Lowflynjack

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    I had an instructor that said "clear of the runway" was even a wasted call! He said if they can't see you when they're on final, they shouldn't be flying. I'm not that rough on people though!
     
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    Maybe. If the airplane on the runway doesn't say something, I don't have a problem with a pilot in the air pointing out there's a disabled aircraft on the runway. The disabled aircraft might or might not have the ability or presence of mind to make the call. If not already being broadcast (obviously it can be overdone) it's also pretty good information for pilots approaching the area or even starting up on the ground to have.

    All jokes about unnecessary communications aside, there's a downside to being the language police - more reasons for pilots to be afraid of the radio. I can't be sure, but I'm fairly confident the two Cessnas who heard my completely nonstandard, "Um.. There's two Skyhawks on short final for runway 26" when I saw them close together were pretty happy about it (Nate, FTG pre-tower).
     
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  22. F01LA

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    Question.. was the phrase "Podunk traffic" in example scenarios popular before "Say Again Please", or do we say that mostly because of Bob?
     
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    What do you mean? The use of the word "traffic" when reporting position predates Bob. It's just a word to signify that your communication is intended for the other airplanes in the area as opposed to the person handling the Unicom radio at the front desk. The FAA could have chosen a different word to mean the same thing, I guess :dunno:
     
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    I think he means the Podunk part.
     
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    Yeah.. I understand the traffic part and the Podunk part. Just wondering if they were in common use together before Bob's book.
     
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    I can't claim originality. This is the dictionary definition:

    "A hypothetical small town regarded as typically dull or insignificant." There is a Podunk, Iowa.

    Bob
     
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    Podunk, Iowa? Isn't that redundant?

    Your book has been very helpful to me, Bob. I was just curious if the phrase "Podunk Traffic" for hypothetical scenarios was in common use before it, that's all.
     
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    As long as we're airing communication pet peeves, how about the pilots making traffic announcements on 122.9 instead of the published CTAF?
     
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    Yes, of course! Wouldn't you?:confused:

    All five that disabled in front of me failed to announce. Not a problem for me, and our runway is REALLY long, but we have a ton of activity with takeoffs squeezing between landings and the jump planes. None of these guys disabled in the TDZ and two were outright accidents that were partially on the runway between taxiways. But hey, don't give others a heads-up if it's right in front of you.
     
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    It’s a good point to say something if they don’t, but it has nothing to do with the original point that blathering about seeing someone who’s not disabled isn’t really necessary.
     
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    What if the published is 122.9?
    Like 3,475 airports within radio range seem to be.
     
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    Must be a local thing. Never heard of that until you wrote it.
     
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    I really don't know how you would know they were doing this unless you were tuned into 122.9 instead of the designated CTAF.

    I've never run across it that I recall.
     
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    True. But I've never even heard people talking about it.
     
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    Neither have I.
     
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    Me threeither.
     
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    Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Saying "clear of the runway" is just plain courtesy.
     
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    It sounds like you're saying they are doing this on purpose. If so, pretty dumb move. I've heard quite a few people broadcast on 122.8 calling Austin Approach or GTU Tower, but that's just an honest mistake when they've been doing circles over our area!
     
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    could be useful to departures at some airports