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I committed the act of an overhead break today. I feel dirty - I have done my 10 hail marys, and sat in the penalty box for 15 minutes.

It was fun, however,
 
You are required to say 20 'hail mary's, 34 'our father's' and 2 hours of stations of the cross..... Git with it boy..:yesnod::D
 
N801BH said:
You are required to say 20 'hail mary's, 34 'our father's' and 2 hours of stations of the cross..... Git with it boy..:yesnod::D
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Lil Ben, you forgot: he has to do another OB, only this time, he has to bring a student with him. :yesnod: And I know just the one! :idea:
 
DavidWhite said:
I committed the act of an overhead break today. I feel dirty - I have done my 10 hail marys, and sat in the penalty box for 15 minutes.

It was fun, however,
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The plane you were flying makes a difference.

Cessna 150 = 30 hail Mary's, suspension of PoA privileges for 30 days.

Cessna 172 = 10 hail Mary's, suspension o PoA for an hour.

Piper / Bonanzas = must publically apologize 3 times to any RV owner and wash their plane. ;)

Any RV = high 5, and you get to start a thread on PoA. :D


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You should've seen what that biplane I was flying this week is capable of David...

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I'll bet your overhead break was positively tame.

Ryan
 
For what purpose though? If you are coming into the airport smoking at 250+kts and/or in formation, I can see an overhead. First off what you did was not an overhead 'break' unless you were in formation. Second off all you did was waste time and fuel over a straight in. If you are by yourself and in control of your energy, an overhead approach in a 172 is nothing more than a poor joke and a waste of time and fuel.
 
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Henning said:
For what purpose though? If you are coming into the airport smoking at 250+kts and/or in formation, I can see an overhead. First off what you did was not an overhead 'break' unless you were in formation. Second off all you did was waste time and fuel over a straight in. If you are by yourself and in control of your energy, an overhead approach in a 172 is nothing more than a poor joke and a waste of time and fuel.
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No one else in the pattern? Meh.
 
Jeanie said:
For fun?
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If an overhead approach in a 172 qualifies as 'fun', poor David has the most boring life I could possibly imagine. An overhead is good to use if you come smoking down from altitude and still have too much energy to burn when you get down to final altitudes. You then level off, pull a couple of quick hard turns to scrub off energy and get back on final with reduced energy. That is the purpose of an overhead approach. An overhead break is about safely opening a formation for individual landings. How a couple of non standard turns in the pattern comes off as cool or fun...:dunno::dunno::dunno:
 
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Henning said:
For what purpose though? If you are coming into the airport smoking at 250+kts and/or in formation, I can see an overhead. First off what you did was not an overhead 'break' unless you were in formation. Second off all you did was waste time and fuel over a straight in. If you are by yourself and in control of your energy, an overhead approach in a 172 is nothing more than a poor joke and a waste of time and fuel.
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Much of the flying most of us do is technically a "waste of time" from a purely rational perspective. IMO, practicing an overhead approach is at the very least a fun skill building exercise.
 
Henning said:
If an overhead approach in a 172 qualifies as 'fun', poor David has the most boring life I could possibly imagine.
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Oh, Henning, you just lack imagination. I know plenty of 20-something guys whose idea of fun is sitting on their asses day after day playing video games on Xbox or PS3. Come on, you can do way better than that. :)

And cut the poor guy a break. He's got, what, a couple hundred hours flying time? And is there anything you HAVE NOT flown or done? You might yawn doing an overhead approach, but for some people it's new and different. I'll bet when you were his age you thought it was pretty bitchin' the first time you did something new. Let the guy live a little.
 
DaleB said:
Oh, Henning, you just lack imagination. I know plenty of 20-something guys whose idea of fun is sitting on their asses day after day playing video games on Xbox or PS3. Come on, you can do way better than that. :)

And cut the poor guy a break. He's got, what, a couple hundred hours flying time? And is there anything you HAVE NOT flown or done? You might yawn doing an overhead approach, but for some people it's new and different. I'll bet when you were his age you thought it was pretty bitchin' the first time you did something new. Let the guy live a little.
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Interesting, y'all consider overheads 'fun' and 'living' and say I have no imagination....:dunno: I always thought they were just another boring tool to use to burn off a bunch of energy. If you're gonna practice an overhead, do it with some usefulness and come screaming into the entrance from on high and then pull a couple of 2g turns to see what kind of performance you can get should you need to use it as a tool as it was meant.
 
Look up... my post just went right over your head. :) I was yanking your chain a little.
 
DaleB said:
Look up... my post just went right over your head. :) I was yanking your chain a little.
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Don't tell him that! He is on a roll! :rofl:



I always thought an "Overhead Break" was an accounting manuver. :goofy:

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That's funny, an overhead break in a C172. So you slowed it from 100kts to 60? You could have just entered the pattern normally and slowed it down.
 
I suppose I should learn how to do one, since according to some hereabouts, my airplane doesn't slip worth a damn.
 
I don't even know what one looks like and I have a 172.
 
DavidWhite said:
I committed the act of an overhead break today. I feel dirty - I have done my 10 hail marys, and sat in the penalty box for 15 minutes.

It was fun, however,
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OMG what time on May 5? I was a pax but did 6 overhead breaks that day, in formations of 4 or 2 ships. You and I may have been in overhead breaking airplanes at the very same moment.
 
Jaybird180 said:
I don't even know what one looks like and I have a 172.
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My CFI two weekends ago asked the tower if I could do an overhead break in a 172. Pretty cool, but he told me not to be a fighter pilot about it, so in the end just another way to land. From the direction we were coming from, it made sense (unless they cleared me for a straight in). We barely wasted any hobbs, and I learned something that day. I might even have the balls to request one myself at a towered airport in the future. Doubt I'll do one at an untowered airport.
 
A comment in the YouTube comments pointed out that the XM may have only been selected to go to the passengers and the pilot may not have been listening to or hearing it at all (only to find it was on his digital audio recorder later on).

Personally I don't do music in the pattern but out cruising I pipe some into the audio panel sometimes. And there's always the Isolate switch if it needs to go away in a hurry. Or yanking the plug out of the player in my case.
 
Unless I'm flying without the COM radio on, I don't do music, it just drives me nuts to have it cutting in and out with COMs traffic.
 
I nearly always have music playing via bluetooth. I just set the volume much much lower then the intercom or radio. I set it so that it doesn't cut out -- the other noises simply over power it.
 
Henning said:
Oh, I don't care that he did it, no big deal on that, I just wonder why since they are wasteful in an expensive arena.
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Its a maneuver nonetheless. And an exercise that can sharpen skills. Why bother with a lazy-8 ?
 
dell30rb said:
Its a maneuver nonetheless. And an exercise that can sharpen skills. Why bother with a lazy-8 ?
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Why is the lazy-8 a required maneuver for a CPL and the Overhead break/approach barely gets a mention anywhere in any FAA text?

Please, inform what skills I can sharpen doing an overhead? I make 2 turns while descending for a target point. A much more useful practice drill for this situation is a power off 180.
 
Henning said:
Why is the lazy-8 a required maneuver for a CPL and the Overhead break/approach barely gets a mention anywhere in any FAA text?

Please, inform what skills I can sharpen doing an overhead? I make 2 turns while descending for a target point. A much more useful practice drill for this situation is a power off 180.
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Who gives a crap? Ever consider that someone might want to do whatever in their airplane because they want to?
 
jesse said:
Who gives a crap? Ever consider that someone might want to do whatever in their airplane because they want to?
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LOL! Agreed.

Sometimes just "playing around" within the safe envelope of the aircraft, you learn things. Sometimes about your aircraft, sometimes about yourself. ;)
 
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