ForeFlight Trap/observation

And to make it more useful, with yesterday's update (version 6.7) they added a "wind barb" layer to the map, with selectable altitude....so now it will be really evident why your GS sucks :)

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1424266331.391080.jpg
 
EdFred said:
Yes to the bold. I currently use one that is neither Apple, nor Android. Actually runs on Windows and fits IN my panel. Though they offer the Apple option as well for people that like having stuff on their lap or yoke - which I don't understand at all. You're IMC, looking down causes SD, but lets have something that sits on our lap, or better yet covers up instruments by clipping it to the yoke. Fly on, brainiacs!
Click to expand...
Just an FYI. My tablet does not sit on my lap and does not block any instruments.

Seems you are working on assumptions of what the world is like rather than what the world actually is like.

Which seems strange to me. Didn't you use paper approach charts without a panel moving map at some point? About the same size as a full-sized tablet with much the same kinds of placement options and issues. Didn't they sit on your lap or "better yet" cover up your instruments by clipping to the yoke? If not, why would a tablet be any different?
 
midlifeflyer said:
Just an FYI. My tablet does not sit on my lap and does not block any instruments.

Seems you are working on assumptions of what the world is like rather than what the world actually is like.

Which seems strange to me. Didn't you use paper approach charts without a panel moving map at some point? About the same size as a full-sized tablet with much the same kinds of placement options and issues. Didn't they sit on your lap or "better yet" cover up your instruments by clipping to the yoke? If not, why would a tablet be any different?
Click to expand...

Show me where you would place the tablet in the panel where you don't have to look down in 99% of GA aircraft.

panel.jpeg



I used to have a setup where I didn't have to look down at the plates.
 
I used your photo and I don;t know if I can account for 99% of GA aircraft, but in the Mooney, Piper, and Cessna singles I've flown, it sits right about here and is tilted slightly upward, similar to the old-time yoke clips for approach plates. Mine is a full-size, those with a mini have even more options.
attachment.php
 

Attachments

  • iPadOnYoke2.png
    iPadOnYoke2.png
    97.6 KB · Views: 58
Last edited:
midlifeflyer said:
I used your photo, but in the Mooneys, Pipers, and Cessnas I've flown, it sits right about here and is tilted slightly upward, similar to the old-time yoke clips for approach plates. Mine is a full-size, those with a mini have even more options.
attachment.php
Click to expand...

That should work great as long as I never have to make a radio transmission.
 
EdFred said:
That should work great as long as I never have to make a radio transmission.
Click to expand...
Sorry you need to actually see the radio transmit button. I just put my hand there and press. I didn't realize there were special needs issues involved. That, of course is very different.

Really. If your beliefs are so strong, there is no reality that can convince you.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Sorry you need to actually see the radio transmit button. I just put my hand there and press. I didn't realize there were special needs issues involved. That, of course is very different.

Really. If your beliefs are so strong, there is no reality that can convince you.
Click to expand...

I need to actually push it. The way that is mounted, I can't reach it, or the tablet will constantly be hitting it.
 
midlifeflyer said:
I used your photo and I don;t know if I can account for 99% of GA aircraft, but in the Mooney, Piper, and Cessna singles I've flown, it sits right about here and is tilted slightly upward, similar to the old-time yoke clips for approach plates. Mine is a full-size, those with a mini have even more options.
attachment.php
Click to expand...

Exactly my setup. Works very well. I know where my radio transmit button is and am able to press it behind the iPad with minimal effort. My guess is that EdFrederick is trolling at this point. :dunno:
 
Did you guys actually look at the picture before saying 'oh just put it here' ? or read what I actually wrote? My guess is no.

I said where IN THE PANEL can I put it.

Were you two dropped on your heads as kids?

Me: "Hey guys, I want a high wing plane."

You two: "Get a Bonanza"
 
EdFred said:
I need to actually push it. The way that is mounted, I can't reach it, or the tablet will constantly be hitting it.
Click to expand...
I guess that takes yours out of the 99% of all GA airplanes. One can't account for weird custom PTT placements. Just about all I've seen have the button on the back of the handle facing the glareshield where it can be pushed by the index finger while holding the yoke normally.

I don't have your problem in any of the airplane I fly. Like I said, didn't realize we were talking about special needs. (I'm making the assumption you are not just making stuff up to prove a nonexistent point)
 
EdFred said:
Did you guys actually look at the picture before saying 'oh just put it here' ? or read what I actually wrote? My guess is no.

I said where IN THE PANEL can I put it.

Were you two dropped on your heads as kids?

Me: "Hey guys, I want a high wing plane."

You two: "Get a Bonanza"
Click to expand...
Oops! Sorry. I didn't realize you were insisting on a panel mount when there is no room in the panel for something. I didn't realize that, having failed on one tack you simply switched to another. As for me, if you folow the thread back, you'll see I was responding to:
EdFred; said:
You're IMC, looking down causes SD, but lets have something that sits on our lap, or better yet covers up instruments by clipping it to the yoke.
Click to expand...
Might want to read your own discussion thread before suggesting others may have been dropped on their heads.

Yep. It's obviously trolling at this point.
 
LuisO said:
And to make it more useful, with yesterday's update (version 6.7) they added a "wind barb" layer to the map, with selectable altitude....so now it will be really evident why your GS sucks :)
Click to expand...
That's a feature I've missed since my old G396; winds aloft forecast. In a slow plane, it's a big deal. I found the G396/XM forecast and display amazingly useful in the Maule. ADSB is catching up!
 
midlifeflyer said:
Oops! Sorry. I didn't realize you were insisting on a panel mount when there is no room in the panel for something. I didn't realize that, having failed on one tack you simply switched to another. As for me, if you folow the thread back, you'll see I was responding to:

Might want to read your own discussion thread before suggesting others may have been dropped on their heads.

Yep. It's obviously trolling at this point.
Click to expand...

Really? No room in the panel? Odd because that's my EFB sitting right there next to the 430...where? Oh yeah...in the panel.

Perhaps you need to look at the context of my statement about having our heads down in the cockpit. Read the post again in full, and not just cherry picking it.
 
Bill Watson said:
That's a feature I've missed since my old G396; winds aloft forecast. In a slow plane, it's a big deal. I found the G396/XM forecast and display amazingly useful in the Maule. ADSB is catching up!
Click to expand...
I don't think it's an ADS-B function. If I read Scott's post correctly, it's the forecast information obtained during the weather briefing, just added by FF as an available layer.
 
scottd said:
Yes and no. There's no way to do this directly using markers on the map. You have to tap on the ceiling (or vis) marker and the observation will be shown based on the flight category. For example, say the vis is in the IFR category and you are showing the ceiling markers. If the ceiling is showing a blue 12, you may tap on the 12 and you'll see the coded METAR will be in red (as dictated by the IFR category vis).

FF-Ceiling-Category.png
Click to expand...
Thanks for keeping up on the forum, actually this one I did know, but sometimes its difficult to get my finger over the right spot if there is any turbulence so I like to just use the big picture for reference.
But I now know that they are independent so I need to be careful to understand what I am seeing. That was the point of the whole post to begin with.

Thanks
again.
 
Does Foreflight only show snow when on a cell signal ? I never see any snow when using Stratus just the occasional green blob of moisture.. Sound right ?
 
EdFred said:
Yes to the bold. I currently use one that is neither Apple, nor Android. Actually runs on Windows and fits IN my panel. Though they offer the Apple option as well for people that like having stuff on their lap or yoke - which I don't understand at all. You're IMC, looking down causes SD, but lets have something that sits on our lap, or better yet covers up instruments by clipping it to the yoke. Fly on, brainiacs!

And yes, I will spend 3-4x the money just to not deal with Apple or ForeFlight because they have lazy programmers.
Click to expand...
I think this misses the train the already left the station; mobile devices have, and will continue to have, superior applications over systems you can put in your panel. Why? For the simple reason that they can be cheaply and easily upgraded in ways that panel systems probably never will be.

Of course the mobile stuff isn't isn't certified which is a mixed blessing. But the panel mount equipment isn't necessarily certified for the experimental crowd. But even if you take the certified piece out of the comparison, mobile devices will continue to improve and advance faster than any affordable panel solution.

I have a (3) EFIS GRT experimental panel with a G430w for smarts and a Navworx transceiver for ADSB in/out. Recently I noticed that GRT added geo referenced plates. So on my panel I have synthetic vision, moving maps, overlayed weather, traffic displayed on the map (and in syn vision), geo referenced plates. A very solid and comprehensive set of tools for my IFR flying.

But despite that, a FF powered iPad is a powerful and much valued tool my cockpit. I'm on my 3rd iPad due to upgrades, and I built a custom center console to optimally hold a RAM mount for the iPad. It sits in mid-air over my lap and under my right hand. It's so handy I even write clearances on the scratchpad for a truly paper free cockpit.

I fly entirely by reference to my panel but I plan and maintain excellent situational awareness by reference to the iPad. Rather than precipitating spatial disorientation, I find that it helps avoid it. The iPad blocks nothing and is easily included in my expanded scan. More important, I'm able to keep the panel setup for the tactical flying at hand while the iPad/FF tool can be used to look at maps, approach selection, alternate routes, etc. IT'S GREAT! BTW, I got my IR rating and got it very wet in a non/AP round gage Maule but when the G396/XM came out, it was clear that it was the most powerful instrument in the plane. I knew immediately that portables would be part of my cockpit for some time to come.

There's an instructive parallel with competitive glider racing. We were first adopters of GPS technology due to a rules loop hole. We had purpose built, GPS driven, panel mount glide computers before the first aviation portables even hit the market. These units instantly changed everything in racing. But what happened very quickly was as general purpose portable devices became available, the latest apps and newest functions became available on portables. No matter what panel mount computers were on board, the latest and greatest would be available on a mobile device and soon gliders were festooned with mounts for multiple portable devices.

Low cost and high function drove the mobile device proliferation in soaring. It will do the same in our airplane cockpits for the forseeable future. Denying that is head in the sand stuff.
 
Firefighter_324 said:
Does Foreflight only show snow when on a cell signal ? I never see any snow when using Stratus just the occasional green blob of moisture.. Sound right ?
Click to expand...

The radar broadcast by ADS-B unfortunately doesn't differentiate between rain, mixed and snow. So snow & mixed will all show using the same "green" spectrum as rain, regardless of which app/ADS-B receiver you use.

- Josh
 
Last edited:
Bill Watson said:
I think this misses the train the already left the station; mobile devices have, and will continue to have, superior applications over systems you can put in your panel. Why? For the simple reason that they can be cheaply and easily upgraded in ways that panel systems probably never will be.
Click to expand...

Mine actually slides in and out of a standard MFD cutout and is not "installed" so the certified, un-certified isn't an issue. It just looks like it is installed. The problem with every tablet out there is none of them fit nicely "in" the panel. Or if they do, they have crap for EFB software.
 
EdFred said:
That should work great as long as I never have to make a radio transmission.
Click to expand...

It doesn't block the PTT on mine either. I transmit and work the electric trim with no trouble, but then I use mine in the landscape position as stated above.
 
EdFred said:
Mine actually slides in and out of a standard MFD cutout and is not "installed" so the certified, un-certified isn't an issue. It just looks like it is installed. The problem with every tablet out there is none of them fit nicely "in" the panel. Or if they do, they have crap for EFB software.
Click to expand...

Would you mind stating which one you use? Maybe you did and I missed it. Curious.
 
EdFred said:
I need to actually push it. The way that is mounted, I can't reach it, or the tablet will constantly be hitting it.
Click to expand...


Ahhhhhh! I get it now. This is why Ed can't sell his Comanche! All those buyers are finding out during pre-buy that there is no ******* spot for their iPad!
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Ahhhhhh! I get it now. This is why Ed can't sell his Comanche! All those buyers are finding out during pre-buy that there is no ******* spot for their iPad!
Click to expand...


ROFL!

I'm sure if one tried hard enough a panel mount for a mini could be made. Jesse and Jason have them hanging on the walls outside of every conference room at their company.

Ed's whining that his panel is too small. ;)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top