Flying with another student pilot? Allowed?

[Greg Bockelman]

Airship

 

[Greg Bockelman]

When the pilot gives birth during solo flight?

That would be pretty difficult (Impossible?) to do.

 

[MAKG1]

That would be pretty difficult (Impossible?) to do.

And I would really hate to clean an aircraft after that. Yuck.

 

[marcoseddi]

No


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[kmox29]

Yeah, not even a question.

Correct. If a student pilot is in an aircraft with another occupant, that other person MUST be an appropriately rated/qualified pilot and operating as PIC. The student is the passenger.

 

[JeffDG]

Airship

DING-DING-DING...we have a winner!

 

[Jaybird180]

Splain?

 

[cowman]

Under the current rules, unseparated siamese twins could never meet the requirements to get a PPL.

 

[SkyHog]

No it's not. We had this phone conversation already like a year ago.

Work through your flowchart with the following variables:

I am a student, with a student certificate. I am taking my check ride and the DPE is with me. Can I log PIC?

 

[EdFred]

Yeah, on that one occasion, you can. Whats funny, is you've spent 7 years trying to break it.

 

[warthog1984]

Work through your flowchart with the following variables:

I am a student, with a student certificate. I am taking my check ride and the DPE is with me. Can I log PIC?

Per 61.47, yes.

 

[Jaybird180]

Where's the airship reference?

 

[Henning]

Wrong. There is more than one scenario where the student is PIC - and it involves a passenger. Think about it.

Nope, at that point the flight operated without a PIC. Still not kosher, but there is a difference even if subtle.
Yes, there is the DE scenario, but let the plane crash and see who the feds go after as PIC.

 

[Greg Bockelman]

Splain?

As I understand it, there is no way to operate an airship solo. Hence the caveat in that case.

 

[Greg Bockelman]

Where's the airship reference?

61.89(b) and 61.109(g). The last one is the big one. Note that there are no solo requirements listed in 61.109(g).

 

[SixPapaCharlie]

Wait, why couldn't conjoined twins become pilot(s)?

 

[Jaybird180]

Wait, why couldn't conjoined twins become pilot(s)?

Because they would have to do it in a ME Airplane

 

[Jaybird180]

61.89(b) and 61.109(g). The last one is the big one. Note that there are no solo requirements listed in 61.109(g).

Does commuting to/from work violate 61.89(a)(4)?

 

[Jaybird180]

61.89(b) and 61.109(g). The last one is the big one. Note that there are no solo requirements listed in 61.109(g).

How do you get unusual attitude training per 61.109(g)(2)?

 

[Greg Bockelman]

Does commuting to/from work violate 61.89(a)(4)?

I would think so.

 

[Greg Bockelman]

How do you get unusual attitude training per 61.109(g)(2)?

I don't know. I am not an airship driver.

 

[EdFred]

Nope, at that point the flight operated without a PIC. Still not kosher, but there is a difference even if subtle.
Yes, there is the DE scenario, but let the plane crash and see who the feds go after as PIC.

I was explicitly told I was to be PIC for the flight by every DPE on each check ride where I couldn't legally be PIC with a passenger. Seeing as they were, and you aren't, I'll side with them.

 

[Jaybird180]

I was explicitly told I was to be PIC for the flight by every DPE on each check ride where I couldn't legally be PIC with a passenger. Seeing as they were, and you aren't, I'll side with them.

I already said that and you said there was another.

 

[Jaybird180]

I would think so.

I read a story about a student that had been signed off for solo and was using his plane to commute and racked up a ton of hours before his checkride.

 

[EdFred]

I already said that and you said there was another.

And Greg answered with airship. Your reference is in Part 61 under student pilots.

 

[Hocky]

Wait, why couldn't conjoined twins become pilot(s)?

They can. Conjoined twins form a single entity with two heads. Nowhere does it say that a two headed pilot is not allowed.

 

[mikea]

Is the other student pilot pilot in command with a solo signoff?

If yes, then you are not PIC and cannot use your solo signoff

If no, then you are PIC and he is a passenger.

Logic?

Solo = 1 PIC all alone

 

[mikea]

I read a story about a student that had been signed off for solo and was using his plane to commute and racked up a ton of hours before his checkride.

I racked up tons of hours before my checkride, but by CFI endorsement I could only fly on own within 25nm to two specific airports.

Every Cross Country, and there were a handful really far, required CAVU, daylight, and my CFI signing off on my flight plan.

 

[Jaybird180]

And Greg answered with airship. Your reference is in Part 61 under student pilots.

61.87(a) - Gas Balloon or airship

 

[EdFred]

See what happens when you look things up on your own, instead of saying "where?"

 

[Shepherd]

It is absolutely legal for two (PPL) student pilots to be in a plane at the same time without a CFI.


Wait for it...


As long as the plane is a Light Sport and one of them has a Sport license.

 

[Kevin87]

It is absolutely legal for two (PPL) student pilots to be in a plane at the same time without a CFI.


Wait for it...


As long as the plane is a Light Sport and one of them has a Sport license.

Well kinda. The sport pilot would have to be PIC, and the other student couldn't log the time.