Flying: The most difficult thing you will ever do in life!

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Alexb2000, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. Alexb2000

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    Reading these posts over the years one could easily come to the conclusion that flying is the most difficult thing a person could ever endeavor to do.

    We have the regulation arguments, and many quotes from the FAR/AIM or controllers handbook(you read that every night before bed right?). Trumped by letter from the administrator. (you get all those dating back to 1965 right?). Further trumped by "secret" interpretations that only a few insiders know, if you don't know, then you are exactly the kind of person that those in the know are out to get. They also clearly dictate that the FAA's secret but over-riding directive is a campaign to rid the skies of anything smaller than an MD-80.

    We have the "skills" arguments. There is a thread where we are on the border of suggesting a type rating for a Grumman trainer. That's right you need highly specialized training to fly a Grumman trainer, or you will probably die. Someone should build a Level D sim for those dangerous little birds.

    We have the "you are not worthy" threads. So you want to fly across 100 miles of flat land with your family to visit grandma? Let me tell you something, you better have at least 2,000 hours, many ratings, a VERY capable airplane, the reflexes of a Formula One driver, and balls of titanium. This is the flying equivalent of free climbing El Capitan's Dawn Wall. Just look at all the "right stuff" , rock hard, razor sharp, types climbing into the cockpit at your local airport. Makes you want to humm the ballad of the Green Beret's every time you see a 172 taxi out.

    We also have the catchall "pedantic" category. This means if someone gives a 500 word description of a flight they took, then read it carefully and point out even the slightest error. "Well I looked up the METAR at your time of flight and the altimeter reading was 30.11 not 30.10 as you claimed". Or when the poster is as detailed as a forensic accountant, just point out a grammar or spelling error to the same effect.

    Last the "non-aviation" category. When you are so beaten down that you are considering turning in your ticket (sorry pedantics, certificate) just so you don't have to participate anymore. Then post something non-aviation related, Henning can set you straight regardless of topic and at least you'll get an answer.

    I guess I'm just too simple minded, but flying a piston single with some good common sense just isn't that difficult, or treacherous, or crazy, or demanding of a perfect knowledge of the FAR/AIM, or…. It's just flying, an endeavor that is supposed to be fun.

    Maybe we need a category for that?
     
  2. Geico266

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    I totally agree.

    I am amazed at the number of people here who recommend not flying to destinations. Night flights, weather, traffic, mechanical failures, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of woosified hand wringing worry warts.

    Anyone remember when flying was fun? When you went flying just for the fun of it? To watch a sunrise? Heaven forbid you actually flew just for flying sake. Buzz a buddies party? Talk about it here and people come out of the wood work reciting all the rules you broke. :rolleyes:
     
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    Do a little research and discover why AVEMCO will no longer cover LSA.
     
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    Flying isn't the difficult part. You can teach a monkey how to fly. All the planning that goes into before you even get the plane is the challenge. Actually it's not really a challenge as much as it is time consuming.
     
  5. James331

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    This is true, especially the Grumman part :hairraise:
     
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    I have been a member of 4 other forums (only one aviation related) before this one. Each one I shelved due to the douchebaggery that you describe above.

    I see a lot of the other forums in this one. Not sure how much longer I can sift through the archives to gather the good information and move on.

    Don't give me moderator privileges, you membership numbers will dwindle. Quality is better than quantity.
     
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    Depends on what you want, strict on topic information or "Aviation Bar and Grill." If the former, maybe this place isn't your cup of tea.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  9. Sac Arrow

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    I'm not sure I see the douchbaggery to which you refer, but if this thread and subsequent posts upsets you, you need to run, not walk from here.

    Perhaps join a Kenny G forum instead?
     
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    Only 11 posts and you already have us figured out?:rofl::rofl: Who's the d-bag? If you don't want people like that here, why don't you remove yourself first and get the ball rolling.
     
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    What difference does this make to this conversation? :dunno:

    Heinz just bought Kraft Foods. :dunno:

    There is a lot a tea in China. :rolleyes:
     
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    If nothing goes wrong then flying is trivial. It's when things go south that it becomes more difficult and since you can't pull over and park while you figure out what is wrong, you better be ready before bad things happen. That is why it's a hard thing.
     
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    Every flight I make is just for the fun of it! Even if you have a specific mission, you have to remember that flying is just plain fun. If it weren't, I'd just drive. Snacks and restrooms are easier to find on the interstate.
     
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    I'm sure you could jump on a medical, legal, or architecture forum and come to the same conclusion.
     
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    So.... You're new to the internet eh?
     
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    I agree, I like to compare it to golf in some aspects. It's something no one can ever master.
     
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    You didn't even mention the aeromedical aspect. Although in terms of 'most difficult' I don't think it's difficult to pass the exam, there are a lot of ways to fail it, many of which you have no control over.
     
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    I'd bet it has a lot to do with the large number of runway LOC accidents/claims in LSA, which are disproportionately caused by pilots transitioning from heavier airplanes, rather than those who started and continued flying LSA.

    What's is the point again? :dunno:
     
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    Must be that flying LSA's is the most difficult thing you will ever do in life.
     
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    The most difficult thing you will ever do in life?

    Maybe to someone who's never tried to hit a slider.
     
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    If I overheard a Southwest captain say "Damn, flying is the most difficult thing I have done in my life!" Somehow I think I would be less than reassured.
     
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    I think not flying (to a pilot) is the most difficult thing in life.
     
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    For those who show up on the faa site as " fatal" , flying did indeed turn out to be the most difficult thing they ever attempted. This includes doctors, engineers, computer geeks, etc. Who for a variety of reasons got themselves into situations that were insurmountable.
     
  24. Matthew

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    Hmmmm, dunno.

    It did turn out to be the LAST thing they ever attempted. But even a simple mistake can turn a trip on an escalator into a fatal accident.
     
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    Your really reaching for that one! Flying does not suffer fools gladly. Can't be compared to riding an escalator or playing golf. Not long ago a doctor ( for example) found that flying an MU2 was much more involved than driving a golf cart. He died. Endless examples of this.
     
  26. Subsea

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    Perhaps I'm just figuring that out. In any event, I did not intend to offend anyone, although reading back, taking offence was warranted. Please accept my apology for speaking out of turn. I'll move along now.
     
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    Quitting smoking was difficult, flying's not difficult.
     
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    Depends on your flying. Bob hovers type of flying seems very difficult to me. Above my pay grade for sure.
     
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    That I am a superior pilot since I fly a taildragger LSA. Duhhh. What else could he be getting at?;)
     
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    Flying is supposed to be fun,if we remember that point,flying isn't that difficult
     
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    Flying is a long, long, long way from the most difficult thing I've ever done. Might be the most satisfying, though.
     
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    A pal said flying off a carrier deck at night was one of, if not the most difficult thing he ever did. I think the skill level of flying has a lot to do with it. He went on to say that several turned in their wings, unable to hack it after they had qualified. Far different from landing on 4000 feet in a 172.
     
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    Like you, I've visited and participated in multiple forums (fora, if you prefer). I now regularly participate in only five. These are the techniques I use to increase the signal:noise ratio.
    1. Do not routinely visit any section of a forum that is not of high interest.
    2. Do not routinely read past Page 1 of a multi-page thread. The odds of a thread having degenerated into a pre-adolescent male urination contest increase substantially after Page 1.
    3. Develop your own "ignore" list and do not click on a thread for which the last post was by someone whom you have chosen to ignore. The reason I elect to not use any built-in forum ignore features is that, in some forums, I will read posts by some individuals *in certain categories.* If someone is an engineer, I may elect to read his/her posts in a technical section of the forum. In other sections of that same forum, that person's opinions are of no interest to me.

    Those work for me; your mileage may vary; please keep your hands and feet inside the ride at all times and remain seated until the ride comes to a complete stop.
     
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    A wise old Army pilot once told me that anyone can learn to fly; the stupid ones just don't live long. :nono:
     
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    Flying is far from difficult but I have noticed that many pilots like to complicate the process and make it much harder than it needs to be. They also seem to have a tendency to enjoy making people outside of aviation believe that what they do is superhuman or something.

    It's just flying. With a little instruction almost anyone can do it.
     
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    C'mon people, switching fuel tanks is pretty freakin difficult. Not meant for the common folk.
     
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    Thanks Dennis,

    I will heed you advice. Makes sense.
     
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    On the other hand, unlike golf, it has some practical uses! :goofy:
     
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    Okay 6PC, where are you? Ready to make this one happen here buddy?
     
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    The slider I could handle. The hard one on the inside corner at the letters was the one that got me.

    The most difficult thing in life? Understanding women. Even for just a little bit.

    Jim