Flying into Santa Fe

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I’ve been a flat lander for my entire 40 year flying life and am planning a trip out west from my base in Florida. I am stopping in Abilene Texas and would like to fly on to Santa Fe, New Mexico but am intimidated by the altitudes. Are there routes which would make it more palatable in my normally aspirated Mooney?
 
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I’ve been a flat lander for my entire 40 year flying life and am planning a trip out west from my base in Florida. I am stopping in Abilene Texas and would like to fly on to Santa Fe, New Mexico but am intimidated by the altitudes. Are there routes which would make it more palatable in my normally aspirated Mooney?
I learned to fly in Albuquerque in Cessna 150s and owned a TriPacer. Santa Fe was a regular destination. No problem coming in from the south or southeast. The thing I got sloppy on after moving to flatlands was leaning for takeoff. Don't forget that.
 
Your Mooney will do fine. You do not need to climb higher than 9K to safely approach KSAF from the SE.
- You must learn how to lean properly, both for takeoff and go-around. If you push the mixture to rich on a go-around, you may not have enough power to climb.
- Fly as early in the day as you can.
- Watch for dirt devils on approach.
- If the wind is blowing from the S/SE and they are landing RWY 20, the first 1000 ft of the runway can be very turbulent. Just request another RWY that is more aligned with the wind.
- Enjoy the culinary delights of Santa Fe - there are many.
 
I’ve been a flat lander for my entire 40 year flying life and am planning a trip out west from my base in Florida. I am stopping in Abilene Texas and would like to fly on to Santa Fe, New Mexico but am intimidated by the altitudes. Are there routes which would make it more palatable in my normally aspirated Mooney?

I used to fly a lot in that area, and one of the biggest challenges I’ve noticed for pilots coming from lower elevations is proper mixture control. Don’t just push it to full rich because the checklist says so - make sure to lean it appropriately. Also, be ready for some turbulence, especially when approaching Santa Fe from the east. I’ve had a few rough rides in that stretch.
 
Also, be ready for some turbulence, especially when approaching Santa Fe from the east. I’ve had a few rough rides in that stretch.

Truth! Flying back to California from Tennessee several years ago, I landed in Santa Fe to refuel. When climbing out on departure, I felt like a James Bond martini.



Shaken, not stirred!
 
It more about knowledge and experience than engine aspiration. When I lived in Denver, we flew to SAF often enough that I began to think of it as a local trip. All singles, all except one normally aspirated, and including a 180 HP Cutlass and M20C.

So… what’s your experience level? BTDT? Ground study of density altitude and mountain ops? SGOTI? NA?
 
All interesting perspectives, thanks.

Does anybody have any recommended routes from west Texas to Santa Fe?
 
All interesting perspectives, thanks.

Does anybody have any recommended routes from west Texas to Santa Fe?
The good news is that you don't really have to cross any significant mountainous terrain. Personally, subject to the usual cautions, I'd be heading toward OTO VOR and straight up the valley if the winds are very light (east of Sandia can be a bear). Or, ACH VOR where you can cross into SAF at a lower altitude (basically following V82).
 
Fly this route 10x year for 40 years, the last 10 in a 180hp C172. Direct to CME OTO SAF. 9500 ft is more than adequate, I usually fly lower but will gradually increase my altitude from OTO into SAF. Will be bumpy in afternoon, expect some mountain waves, cumulus clouds will accumulate in afternoon east of mountains, usually will fly a block of altitude and take the up/down drafts as they come. I usually fly VFR on the route since I want the flexibility and have to be higher than I prefer for communications. The fall months are the best times to fly in this area. If the bumps get too much, slow down. On final, fly IAS and attitude, the bumps usually settle down as one gets closer to ground, but fly the airplane all the way.
 
My first flight after getting my private was up to Santa Fe for breakfast with my kids from 4AC - old Coronado Airport in ABQ. Closed in 2001. Nothing hard about Santa Fe - as someone mentioned mornings are best. Beautiful part of the world to fly in for sure.
 
Ditto all the excellent SOPs above... and... PATIENCE. On a go-around or initial takeoff climb, if you get 200 fpm (or less!) just take what you get and make it work (gentle s-turns, whatever).
 
Ditto all the excellent SOPs above... and... PATIENCE. On a go-around or initial takeoff climb, if you get 200 fpm (or less!) just take what you get and make it work (gentle s-turns, whatever).
That's a good thing to remind people of. Density altitude not only saps power, but it also reduces the efficiency of airfoils. That means that your wings don't create as much lift and your prop doesn't create as much thrust. Takeoff runs are longer. Vy increases with altitude and pitch attitude in the climb is going to be lower than at sea level. There have been accidents in which pilots have rotated too early ("normal" to them) or have climbed at their "normal" pitch attitude, only to find it produced a stall. It was always something to watch out for when I did a Colorado lesson with transients even if we went nowhere near a mountain.
 
Vy increases very slightly with altitude if you are talking about true air speed. It decreases slightly with altitude if you are talking about “indicated air speed”. When flying at high altitude airports, use indicated airspeeds. Vx will increase with altitude regardless of whether you are talking true airspeed or indicated airspeed. When taking off at high altitude airport, be sure you are above Vx for that altitude or you will be behind the power curve.
I think why people rotate early at high altitude airports is because their ground speed is much higher. The airplane tires are shaking because you are rotating at a ground speed of 85mph vs 60mph, and the ground is moving by much faster than you are accustomed. Just an opinion.
 
I think why people rotate early at high altitude airports is because their ground speed is much higher. The airplane tires are shaking because you are rotating at a ground speed of 85mph vs 60mph, and the ground is moving by much faster than you are accustomed. Just an opinion.
My experience conforms in part with your opinion. Twenty years in Colorado and and I never noticed more shaking than in Florida. But the higher ground speed, especially combined with the unexpectedly long landing roll, definitely.
 
Your Mooney will do fine. You do not need to climb higher than 9K to safely approach KSAF from the SE.
- You must learn how to lean properly, both for takeoff and go-around. If you push the mixture to rich on a go-around, you may not have enough power to climb.
- Fly as early in the day as you can.
- Watch for dirt devils on approach.
- If the wind is blowing from the S/SE and they are landing RWY 20, the first 1000 ft of the runway can be very turbulent. Just request another RWY that is more aligned with the wind.
- Enjoy the culinary delights of Santa Fe - there are many.
So, just enrichen from cruise by a turn or two instead pushing to the firewall?

Signed, Certified flatlander
 
So, just enrichen from cruise by a turn or two instead pushing to the firewall?

Signed, Certified flatlander
Depends on how high you are cruising. Bui as a number have pointed out, the manuals talk about 3,000 and 5,000 feet, the breadth of which tells you (a) this is not rocket science and (b) we're talking about ballpark numbers. So there's a couple of tings you can do. One is guestimate and twist a few turns. Another people use is to note your lowland takeoff power EGT and duplicate that number. Some, to play it safe, will level off at, say, 2,000-3,000' and lean for best power. The other kind of hint is that in this case, a bit too rich is probably better than a bit too lean. Remember we're not leaning for the landing as much as we are leaning for the go-around where we need both full power and excess fuel for engine cooling.
 
It was a real eye opener, a couple of months back, when departing in a T210 near MGTOW from KCFO in 95F weather. I was watching the 1000' markers roll by like I was departing in a RJ. LOL. She finally said "Let's go flying" after 3500' and almost 90kts. I definitely felt the reduced prop thrust from the high DA; acceleration was much slower than departing from my home field at 70' field elevation at the same temps or higher.
 
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I just landed at SAF yesterday with DA of almost 8000’, and being based in NH at 200’ MSL, all of the tips here are important. I had done my research for a trip to Page and Sedona last year, and reviewed ahead of this trip, and my experience yesterday is exactly in line with what is being said here.

Even with the prep and (limited) experience from last year, I was still surprised with the ground roll required on landing. While I safely got slowed down to make taxiway Golf after landing on 20, it took more runway to get slowed down than I felt I would need after touchdown.
 
You could calculate Vy for the density altitude, but probably will be fine just ball-parking it as lower than book Vy and higher than book Vx. Keep the ASI between those two numbers and you’ll climb. Another thing you can do in advance is study your cruise climb performance to find an indicated airspeed and power settings will climb the plane without cooking the engine above a DA of 10,000.

The hemisphere rule for VFR only applies above 3,000 AGL, so don’t assume that flying west at 7,500 MSL will avoid head-on traffic when the ground is 4,500 or higher.

The biggest thing I found on my first high-DA flight (Rock Springs, WY on a miserably hot day) was definitely the increased TAS/GS. But if you know and trust your airspeed numbers, you’ll be fine. It will just look a little different out the window.

If you have a passenger, give him or her your camera so you can post the pictures here. I love to travel vicariously through POA trip report threads.
 
It’s my favorite airport really, except for the home drome. My King Air 90 and Citation II made it no problem!
 
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