Flyertalk: Police Escort instead of Pat down and Nude Scan

[sba55]

http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

From: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...escort-instead-pat-down-nude-scan-merged.html

Some background: Some airports, like Atlanta, require pax to go through security after arriving on int'l flights. This person refused and was eventually escorted out by police.

 

[wsuffa]

Standing up for his rights. Good for him.

Unfortunately, RDU threatened someone with arrest for just asking questions.

 

[ScottM]

Some background: Some airports, like Atlanta, require pax to go through security after arriving on int'l flights.

I don't know of any airport where you do not have to go through security after arriving on an international flight.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I don't know of any airport where you do not have to go through security after arriving on an international flight.

JFK and EWR, we would just go through customs & immigration and then leave. Are you considering those security?

 

[SCCutler]

I don't know of any airport where you do not have to go through security after arriving on an international flight.

It has been a little over a year since I flew internationally - but I have never had to clear security when *entering* the country, that I recall. What is the point of this?

 

[Jim Logajan]

http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

From: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...escort-instead-pat-down-nude-scan-merged.html

Some background: Some airports, like Atlanta, require pax to go through security after arriving on int'l flights. This person refused and was eventually escorted out by police.

I'm baffled - why search people leaving an area in which presumably no one could enter with anything dangerous (or are they implying: "Please return to the aircraft you departed to make a second go at detonating your bomb since you obviously failed to do so after many hours of flight.")

 

[sba55]

I'm baffled - why search people leaving an area in which presumably no one could enter with anything dangerous (or are they implying: "Please return to the aircraft you departed to make a second go at detonating your bomb since you obviously failed to do so after many hours of flight.")

No idea. At a few airports like Atlanta, you don't have direct access to the airport exit without going through another terminal's secured area. But I agree that it doesn't make sense.

I don't know of any airport where you do not have to go through security after arriving on an international flight.

By security, they mean the TSA security checkpoint, not customs/immigration.

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

They are just preparing us for the coming expansion of the TSA into parking lots & ground vehicles, our work areas, malls, and soon our homes.

You'll note they did not name the organization the ATSA (Air Transport S.A.), they named it simply Transport SA. And of course, we 'transport' in everything we do!

 

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

They are just preparing us for the coming expansion of the TSA into parking lots & ground vehicles, our work areas, malls, and soon our homes.

You'll note they did not name the organization the ATSA (Air Transport S.A.), they named it simply Transport SA. And of course, we 'transport' in everything we do!

http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/fy10_ibsgp_faqs.pdf

Remember, riding a bus is a privilege, not a right.

 

[ScottM]

By security, they mean the TSA security checkpoint, not customs/immigration.

I know what they meant and I stand by my comment. I know of no airport where you do not have to be re-screened after arriving on an international flight to enter the terminal.

 

[ScottM]

It has been a little over a year since I flew internationally - but I have never had to clear security when *entering* the country, that I recall. What is the point of this?

Where you just arriving and leaving the terminal or going to take another flight? If it is the latter it is the norm to be rescreened. At every airport I have been in around the world this is the case. Even if you are just boarding another flight to leave the country.

 

[ScottM]

JFK and EWR, we would just go through customs & immigration and then leave. Are you considering those security?

No. I am not.

Leaving is different.


I'll say it again for those that may not have understood what I mean and how international travel works globally.

When you arrive in a country you pass through immigration and customs. But if you wish to fly somewhere else, be it domestically or internationally you WILL be re-screened. You will not be allowed to just go into the terminal. This is normal.

Japan Narita used to be even more annoying. You land, to enter the terminal you go through security screening. Then passport and immigration if staying or flying domestically. Then you get to go through security again. But since they redesigned their terminals it has gotten easier.

China is still a pain in the ass too. There you get to go through passport control even if you are staying in country. Plus extra security.

This type of stuff is normal for those of us who travel the globe. Nothing to see here folk but normal everyday security and it has been that way long before 911

 

[chucky]

When I came through RDU a number of years ago, everyone had to go back through security, regardless of whether or not they had a connecting flight. I don't know why, but I vaguely remember someone explaining that there was no way to get out of customs without going through the secure part of the terminal. I believe the reason why you need to be re-screened upon leaving customs if you wish to enter the terminal is because you have had access to your checked bags.

 

[wsuffa]

I don't know of any airport where you do not have to go through security after arriving on an international flight.

O'Hare. If you are arriving and staying in Chicago. Connecting flights require rescreening.

The way CVG is configured you must go through security even if you're ending your trip in Cincinnati. Customs is in Concourse B and requires going through the secure area just to exit. ATL is the same. IAD, it depends, JFK empties you out to the ticket area.

 

[sba55]

I know what they meant and I stand by my comment. I know of no airport where you do not have to be re-screened after arriving on an international flight to enter the terminal.

Neither do I know of one. Hpwever, you said

I don't know of any airport where you do not have to go through security after arriving on an international flight.

I know of lots of airports like that. In fact, it's very unusual to have to go though security after arriving at an airport.

Nothing to see here folk but normal everyday security and it has been that way long before 911

Yes, there is something to see. And you're not the only one who "travels the globe" Get over yourself.

 

[Greg Bockelman]

Scott is talking about connecting flights. No need to re screen just to leave the airport at any airport I know of.

 

[sba55]

Scott is talking about connecting flights. No need to re screen just to leave the airport at any airport I know of.

Exactly.

The point of this article is that there _are_ major airports where you have to be re-screened just to leave the airport. Like ATL.

 

[John Baker]

New TSA slogans
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Only we know if Lady Gaga is really a lady.
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Throw a few back at the airport Chili's and you won't even notice.
Wanna fly? Drop your fly.
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We are now free to move about your pants
We rub you the wrong way, so you can be on your way.
It's not a grope. It's a freedom pat.
When in doubt, we make you whip it out.
TSA: Touchin', Squeezin', Arrestin'
You were a virgin.
We handle more packages than the USPS
The TSA isn't silly, they just want to inspect your willy
Stroke of the hand, law of the land
No Shirt, No Shoes, No Problem
Let your fingers do the Walking
Cough
Reach out and touch someone
Can you feel me now?
When we're done with you, you'll need a cigarette

 

[wabower]

DFW is similar, as are Kansas City and most of the older multi-terminal airports that were designed under the old "drive to your gate" concept that was popular before the hijackers (D. B. Cooper, et al) started their shenanigans and scared us into the current mode.

O'Hare. If you are arriving and staying in Chicago. Connecting flights require rescreening.

The way CVG is configured you must go through security even if you're ending your trip in Cincinnati. Customs is in Concourse B and requires going through the secure area just to exit. ATL is the same. IAD, it depends, JFK empties you out to the ticket area.

 

[ScottM]

I know of lots of airports like that. In fact, it's very unusual to have to go though security after arriving at an airport.

f.

When you arrive on an international flight you are not 'in the terminal'. You are gated such that you are separate from the terminal and herded to passport control. You can only go one way and that is in the direction of passport control, customs and out the door. To get back into the terminal you have to go through security. I know of no airport that is not like what I just described.

Never have I arrived internationally where I am just let lose in the terminal to roam anywhere I wanted.

 

[SCCutler]

I know what they meant and I stand by my comment. I know of no airport where you do not have to be re-screened after arriving on an international flight to enter the terminal.

Unless it just changed, no such re-screening is done at DFW.

 

[wsuffa]

Unless it just changed, no such re-screening is done at DFW.

It is if you're taking a connecting flight. No rescreening if you are terminated at DFW.

Apples <> oranges. Scott is correct: our TSA doesn't trust any screening other than it's own. Hence, if you come into the US from an international destination AND board another flight you get rescreened. At some airports, you must be rescreened just to leave in that city.

The only exceptions are flights from Cananda that have preclearance facilities, where you (usually) can go straight into a connecting flight without rescreening.

 

[ScottM]

Unless it just changed, no such re-screening is done at DFW.

Every time I have flown into DFW in the past 20 years from an international flight I have had to be re-screened before being allowed to proceed into a terminal to catch another flight. Every passenger I have been on the plane with has also had to go through the same.

 

[JeffDG]

It is if you're taking a connecting flight. No rescreening if you are terminated at DFW.

Apples <> oranges. Scott is correct: our TSA doesn't trust any screening other than it's own. Hence, if you come into the US from an international destination AND board another flight you get rescreened. At some airports, you must be rescreened just to leave in that city.

The only exceptions are flights from Cananda that have preclearance facilities, where you (usually) can go straight into a connecting flight without rescreening.

The reason is, you normally need your checked luggage with you when you clear customs, so you've gained physical access to your checked luggage with dangerous nail-clippers in there, so you need to be rechecked.

When you go through pre-clearance out of Canada, you have already cleared customs and you arrive as a domestic flight.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Every time I have flown into DFW in the past 20 years from an international flight I have had to be re-screened before being allowed to proceed into a terminal to catch another flight. Every passenger I have been on the plane with has also had to go through the same.

That makes it more clear. I have always been re-screened if I have a domestic flight following an internatinal flight.

I thought that you meant having to be rescreened if your international flight destination was also the domestic destination. We could, if we wished, wander around the non-secure part of the terminal after clearing customs & immigration in that case.

 

[maddog52]

All the following points below were brought up above, but to condense and clarify:
Everyone arriving in ATL from an international flight needing to clear customs will be rescreened whether they have a connecting flight or not. The reason is that you have to have access to your checked (unscreened) baggage to clear customs. There is no way to get from the international terminal (E) to the outside without going through the secure area. Hence the rescreening of pax and carryons as well as the rechecking of checked luggage just to be picked up at baggage claim.

It's been this way at ATL since the midfield terminal was built and is the same at other airports with similar configurations. Nothing new and sinister here.

 

[SCCutler]

All the following points below were brought up above, but to condense and clarify:
Everyone arriving in ATL from an international flight needing to clear customs will be rescreened whether they have a connecting flight or not. The reason is that you have to have access to your checked (unscreened) baggage to clear customs. There is no way to get from the international terminal (E) to the outside without going through the secure area. Hence the rescreening of pax and carryons as well as the rechecking of checked luggage just to be picked up at baggage claim.

It's been this way at ATL since the midfield terminal was built and is the same at other airports with similar configurations. Nothing new and sinister here.

Not new or sinister, perhaps, but exceedingly stupid.

 

[Ghery]

SEA used to require re-screening, even if you weren't connecting. Customs is in the south satellite and the only way out is the underground train to the main terminal. They finally got smart and added some barriers so those of us who have arrived home are herded to one part of the train which then only accesses the escallator out to the unsecured part of the airport and those with connections are re-screened and shuffled off to a different part of the train that has access to the secure parts of the terminal. Much better. For once intelligence was shown. Rare, but it happens.