Flight Prep Lawsuit, Part II

:hairraise: Wowsers!! :hairraise:
 
I hope they are stomped in court. I used to use the S&E program, but once they started this nonsense I dropped them like a hot potato. I will not do business with them again. Ever.
 
Ghery said:
I hope they are stomped in court. I used to use the S&E program, but once they started this nonsense I dropped them like a hot potato. I will not do business with them again. Ever.
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Same. I told them just that at Airventure and they didn't appreciate hearing that.
 
Using this companies logic, and their lawyers scuminess I wonder if McDonalds will being suing Burger King because someplace they must have patented the idea of selling fast food hamburgers and fries!
 
Two comments:

1) As for the suit, not a good idea to go after the association that represents a large number of your customers. By the way its been over 2 months and I still haven't seen the update to the PHL Bravo.

2) Is that supposed to be an article or an editorial?
 
What PC based freeware are you guys using for flight planning?

Golden Eagle Flight Prep is the one we're talking about here right? I don't want to use them if they're jackasses.

What's a good alternative?
 
That would explain the hasty abandonment of the licensed Jeppesen flight planner in favor of some home-brewed POS a couple of months ago.
 
I abandoned on-line networked flight planning after the whole FlightPrep fiasco. I used to enjoy Skyvector but they were one of the providers who knuckled under to FlightPrep's extortion.

I use Android AirWx App for quick weather, Android Garmin Pilot and Android Avilution AviationMaps apps for flight planning on my Droid RAZR HD and Acer Iconia A500 tablet.

'Gimp
 
I just used a sectional and looked out my window for the weather last weekend. Did I do something wrong?
 
When these idiots first started suing everyone a few years ago, I called AOPA and asked that they get involved in defending this, since it would have been in the best interest of GA. At the time they seemed hell-bent on shutting down all online flight planners.

They basically refused and said they didn't want to get in the middle of it.

I don't want to see AOPA sued, but then again I wish they had gotten involved sooner.

I can't believe these guys actually have a booth at Oshkosh. I figured they would be surrounded by angry mobs giving them a piece of their mind. I also can't believe that the EAA would even rent them space.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I just used a sectional and looked out my window for the weather last weekend. Did I do something wrong?
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Better not admit that online - Microsoft could sue you for royalties for your unlicensed use of a "Window." ;)
 
AdamZ said:
Two comments:

1) As for the suit, not a good idea to go after the association that represents a large number of your customers. By the way its been over 2 months and I still haven't seen the update to the PHL Bravo.

2) Is that supposed to be an article or an editorial?
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1) When you go this route, you no longer have a customer base, you've given up and you're just trying to squeeze some easy money of a dead company.

2) It's ANN, I don't think it even ranks as an editorial. a whacko's blog is what I'd call it.
 
"Deep pockets".

Lawyers know where there's money and AOPA has a big bank account. Lucky me, they don't have one damn dime of my money anymore at risk.

Asshats. Both sides.
 
Pilawt said:
Hm. The AOPA board is down.

Maybe FlightPrep filed a patent for "internet message board with red or magenta banner ... "?

:nono:
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That would be bad. I know the guys who invented, but didn't patent, the BBS. I shouldda stepped in and filed for a patent 30 years ago.
 
douglas393 said:
Using this companies logic, and their lawyers scuminess I wonder if McDonalds will being suing Burger King because someplace they must have patented the idea of selling fast food hamburgers and fries!
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McDonalds sued a restaurant in Scotland named McDonalds that was several generations older than the franchise line.:rolleyes2:
 
dans2992 said:
When these idiots first started suing everyone a few years ago, I called AOPA and asked that they get involved in defending this, since it would have been in the best interest of GA. At the time they seemed hell-bent on shutting down all online flight planners.

They basically refused and said they didn't want to get in the middle of it.

I don't want to see AOPA sued, but then again I wish they had gotten involved sooner.

I can't believe these guys actually have a booth at Oshkosh. I figured they would be surrounded by angry mobs giving them a piece of their mind. I also can't believe that the EAA would even rent them space.
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That's AOPA's MO, they stick their head in the sand unless they personally get a buck out of it. All part of the reason I gave them up, we'll see what the new management does.
 
The good thing is that AOPA has the resources to challenge the patent, if they go that route I might rejoin.
 
Henning said:
McDonalds sued a restaurant in Scotland named McDonalds that was several generations older than the franchise line.:rolleyes2:
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Want confusion? In high school we had a place in town called McDonald's A&W. It was an A&W owned by a family by the name of McDonald. That would have been fun. :D
 
Henning said:
McDonalds sued a restaurant in Scotland named McDonalds that was several generations older than the franchise line.:rolleyes2:
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They also either sued, or threatened to sue, a vegetarian fast food restaurant called "McDharma's." The restaurant changed its name to "Dharma's."
 
This is purely the fault of the scumbags at SkyVector and Runway Finder. The dried white matter on their lips hasn't even flaked off after they dropped to their knees and serviced FlightPrep on demand.

Had they fought, they would have won. Instead, they gave FlightPrep the fuel to try to get AOPA to do the same.
 
SkyHog said:
This is purely the fault of the scumbags at SkyVector and Runway Finder. The dried white matter on their lips hasn't even flaked off after they dropped to their knees and serviced FlightPrep on demand.

Had they fought, they would have won. Instead, they gave FlightPrep the fuel to try to get AOPA to do the same.
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I find it hard to criticise without walking a mile in their shoes. I doubt SkyVector and Runway Finder have deep pockets. To fight anything like this costs $$$, even if you win. Just 'cause a jerk sues you and loses, doesn't mean he gets tagged to pay your bills.

And you might _think_ they would have won, but there's no guarantee. And even if they had, it might have gone to appeal, meaning more time, more $$$, and more risk.

When there's a gun to your head, sometimes, it's smarter to hand over your wallet, even if you're _pretty sure_ you can disarm the bad guy....
 
Jim_R said:
I find it hard to criticise without walking a mile in their shoes. I doubt SkyVector and Runway Finder have deep pockets. To fight anything like this costs $$$, even if you win. Just 'cause a jerk sues you and loses, doesn't mean he gets tagged to pay your bills.

And you might _think_ they would have won, but there's no guarantee. And even if they had, it might have gone to appeal, meaning more time, more $$$, and more risk.

When there's a gun to your head, sometimes, it's smarter to hand over your wallet, even if you're _pretty sure_ you can disarm the bad guy....
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I can defend myself from a frivolous lawsuit for $0. So could they.
 
I don't know if it makes any difference in such a case, but incorporating in Delaware is what we are looking into.

Delaware business law is decided by a chancery court made up of lawyers. It's air tight.

Legal business issues and challenges are not decided by a jury of housewives and plumbers.
 
Palmpilot said:
Better not admit that online - Microsoft could sue you for royalties for your unlicensed use of a "Window." ;)
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I got to thinking about your post and realized that's exactly what the gov't has done with health care. Buy this coverage you can't afford or we'll fine you for not spending money you don't have to begin with.

I could see some enterprising state official fining pilots for not buying flight prep software, to recover sales tax not paid because we elected not to spend the money in the first place.

There is a law on the books to justify it now...
 
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SkyHog said:
I can defend myself from a frivolous lawsuit for $0. So could they.
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That's like me saying I can perform my own operation. I've never done it before and it's easy to make a big, deadly mistake right from the get-go.
 
txflyer said:
I don't know if it makes any difference in such a case, but incorporating in Delaware is what we are looking into.

Delaware business law is decided by a chancery court made up of lawyers. It's air tight.

Legal business issues and challenges are not decided by a jury of housewives and plumbers.
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The chancery court only decides on issues that relate to the internal makeup of your business, whose shares can't vote, conformity of bylaws with delaware law etc. If your business gets sued from the outside, it will be subject to the same courts as any other business, most of the time outside of DE, or wherever your corp does business.
 
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