FlexJet - SWA Runway Incursion MDW 2/25/2025

midwestpa24 said:
One thing pointed out on another board, there are no hold short markings on Runway 4L at either Runway 31L or 31C. Still doesn't absolve the Flexjet crew, but is a contributing factor.

Using 4L as a taxiway honestly seems like poor procedure, lack of these markings for one. The FAA in Airport Design discourages taxiway crosses near the "high speed" portion of the runway, approximately the center third or half. There isn't a parallel to 4L probably for that reason, so ATC just uses the runway.

Like the DC crash, normalization of deviation. If they had only made Flexjet follow the taxiway system perhaps this could have been avoided. Fortunately this time the SWA crew was on their game and went around. Watching it again it doesn't appear their gear ever touched.
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Was listening to MDW ground this morning. They had a paint crew on the ground at/near 31C.

Hopefully, this is what they were doing.

Now…

They could be doing something else. If they are addressing the markings, this could be faster or slower than it would normally be done (so let’s please not weigh in on past, current, or future political administrations).

If they are painting hold shorts, encouraging that a contributing factor is being quickly addressed vs waiting for a preliminary report, etc, etc.

P.S. Try showing the gorilla video to a few men and a few women. You’ll likely see some interesting differences in how men and women observe and process information. Spoiler - In my family, neither of my two sons saw the gorilla. My wife and daughter did. I had seen this video used to point out that very difference in grad school.
 
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Learnin’ to fly… said:
Was listening to MDW ground this morning. They had a paint crew on the ground at/near 31C.

Hopefully, this is what they were doing.

Now…

They could be doing something else. If they are addressing the markings, this could be faster or slower than it would normally be done (so let’s please not weigh in on past, current, or future political administrations).

If they are painting hold shorts, encouraging that a contributing factor is being quickly addressed vs waiting for a preliminary report, etc, etc.

P.S. Try showing the gorilla video to a few men and a few women. You’ll likely see some interesting differences in how men and women observe and process information. Spoiler - In my family, neither of my two sons saw the gorilla. My wife and daughter did. I had seen this video used to point out that very difference in grad school.
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Hold lines for the 13s/31s on Rwy 4L/22R already existed before the event.
 
kkoran said:
Hold lines for the 13s/31s on Rwy 4L/22R already existed before the event.
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Ok. Did not see them on Google earth, so assumed the comments were correct.
In any case, there was a paint crew doing something. :)
 
I’m looking at Apple Maps app – I’m not seeing the hold lines. What app are you using?
(I’ll try google maps next)
 
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kkoran said:
Hold lines for the 13s/31s on Rwy 4L/22R already existed before the event.
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Am I looking at the wrong spot? I’m not seeing these hold lines.
 

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NorthEast Ohio said:
Am I looking at the wrong spot? I’m not seeing these hold lines.
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Use Google Earth Online. Set the time slider for 2023 or 2024. Google Maps and other imagery apps don’t always use the latest photo for their mosaic for various reasons. The current Google Maps image is from 2022, lines were painted since then.
 
Flying Keys said:
Use Google Earth Online. Set the time slider for 2023 or 2024. Google Maps and other imagery apps don’t always use the latest photo for their mosaic for various reasons. The current Google Maps image is from 2022, lines were painted since then.
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Yeah here’s the newer image from Google Earth
 

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