Fatal Cargo Plane Crash near Toledo 9/11/2019

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  1. Kenny Phillips

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    According to flight aware it looks like it made it to the base-final turn at KTOL. I landed last night at about 10 PM in Ann Arbor. Clear skies but some haze and really strong winds at pattern altitude. 220 at 35 kts at 1000 AGL. Only 5 kts on the surface. Easy to overshoot the base to final turn with those winds.
     
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    I probably missed it in the fine reporting but what type airplane?
     
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    The Media strikes again! It was a “conveyor” cargo plane. How about Convair?

    Also they seem to attempting to emphasize that there was no Mayday call. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

    Still two souls lost. Sad. RIP.

    -Skip
     
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    Convair 340
     
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    Yeah, Bubba's is like on short final. They may have not had time to communicate even if they wanted to if it was stall spin turning final thing
     
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    Convair 440, N24DR, freighter based in Laredo, TX.
     
  9. Kenny Phillips

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    It amazes me that such aircraft are still economically viable for commercial work. But I suppose that perhaps they aren't kept up to the highest quality, maintenance-wise.
     
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    We had a Convair 440 in Alaska that was used mostly to make pilots quit. You had to fly it in order to advance through the training program. That company is long gone now...

    I wonder if it's the same airplane...
     
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    Mainly because they perform the job at a reduced price point. Fly them till they can't. Same reason why DC3/C47s, C46s, DC6s, 727-200s, etc are still flying here and around the world. However, in some cases these older aircraft are the only thing that can perform certain mission especially when flown off the beaten path. As to the mx, I guess it depends on how you define "highest quality." Most definitely aren't pretty anymore but mechanically, from my experience, are pretty sound for their age.
     
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    Any airplane will stall/spin if you're too slow and uncoordinated from base to final. Doesn't have to be old. Brand spanking new ones do the same damn thing all the time. Real pity too. I honk off CFIs because I do wide lazy patterns. They say "what if you loose an engine in the pattern". I say "more folks stall/spin than suffer engine loss".

    We lost two.

    Never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
     
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    Yikes... I'm headed to Toledo on Friday, and I've seen a Convair training in Flint, MI just a week or two ago. There can't be a ton of those around.

     
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    Quite a few Convair conversion aerial forest fire tankers out my way. We had one stationed permanently at the summer tanker base at my airport this year. Also see Electra tanker conversions, so these old birds aren't going away without a fight it would seem.

    Why would you assume operators don't keep up the maintenance on them? For most operators high dispatch reliability is $ in the bank.
    Or maybe you think all the young kids coming out of mechanics school don't know how to work on anything except a turbine helicopter, LOL?

    Is it a poor flying plane?
     
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    You know something we all don’t?
     
  16. Lon Stratton

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    There's a few of them at KPTK (Oakland County ,MI) flying freight.
     
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    No, not at all. It is a pretty sturdy cargo hauler and flies like a DC-3.

    The cockpit is a bizarre collection of control levers stuck in unusual places and requires two pilots to overcome the high pilot workload...
     
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    Sounds like that POS 737 Boeing keeps peddling 50 years later..... :D
     
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    I thought that was no levers, all touchscreens? :p
     
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    No dog in the fight, my grievance with the guppy is the coach seats, but that's an airline decision. At any rate, according to my buddy Mover, they're still fiddle-f--- with switches, packs and hydros in the overhead panel, in spite of the afterthought glass retrofit in front of the cartoonishly large control column [for 21st century standards].

    Of course, I would know a bit about that Boeing memory lane stroll. Nothing beats 1000 deafening hours behind the Memphis Belle..in 2008. I don't miss that missile dump truck s---tbox. It'll be a funny anecdote for the grandkids when I'm mil retired and sitting gear b!tch for @kayoh190 , but beyond that no thanks.
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    Sad RIP