Even More on Airline Safety

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  1. spiderweb

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    Two more:

    This list looks at another aspect of airline safety--fatalities. From Plane Crash Info, airlines which have never had a fatal accident (before Southwest's first fatality). On this list, there are several foreign carriers, and five (5) Asian carriers:

    1. Air Berlin
    2. Air Europa
    3. AirTran Airways
    4. Allegiant Airways
    5. Cape Air
    6. Chautauqua Airlines
    7. CommutAir
    8. DragonAir
    9. Easyjet
    10. Emirates
    11. Era Alaska
    12. Expressjet Airlines
    13. Frontier Airlines
    14. GoJet Airlines
    15. Hainan Group
    16. Hawaiian Airlines
    17. Horizon Air
    18. Jazz air
    19. Jet airways
    20. JetBlue
    21. Jetstar
    22. Lion Airlines
    23. Mesa Airlines
    24. Olympic Airways
    25. Oman Airways
    26. Pinnacle Airlines
    27. Qatar Airways
    28. Republic Airlines
    29. Ryanair
    30. Shenzhen Airlines
    31. Shuttle America
    32. Southwest Airlines
    33. Spirit Airlines
    34. Swiss
    35. Trans State Airlines
    36. Transaero Airlines
    37. Ukraine International Airlines
    38. Vietnam Airlines
    39. Virgin Atlantic
    40. Virgin America
    41. Virgin Australia
    42. Vueling
    43. Westjet

    And this alert (25 October 2017) is potentially about safety (on one of our domestic carriers)--if you're African American:

    https://www.theroot.com/flyingwhileblack-naacp-issues-travel-warning-for-blac-1819834808

    The NAACP issued an alert Tuesday warning black travelers to use caution if they decide to fly with American Airlines because of what the organization described as a "pattern of disturbing incidents reported by African-American passengers" over a period of several months.​

    As the revered Dr. Bruce says:

    Sigh.
     
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    That list is AFU.

    Aside from Southwest, Pinnacle and Swiss have had fatals. Probably others too. I mean crap....Swiss lost a whole freakin’ MD-11 full of people.

    You can’t believe everything you read on the internet.
     
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    Air Tran changed their name from ValueJet. Marketing decision. They put a deep hole in the Everglades. This list is BS.
     
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    Cape Air. A guy I worked with, his wife was on a cape air flight sitting right seat, Cessna 414, when pilot went into diabetic shock. She bellied in the airplane.
    The pilot somehow hid his diabetes. They gave her a trophy made from one of the bent blades. I think she worked security for cape air in Mass.
     
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    That is part of the problem with the problem with the list. Technically, Swiss is a different airline than SwissAir - it was SwissAir that lost the plane off of Nova Scotia (a flight that I took often enough...). SwissAir went under and was reconstituted as Swiss.

    But much of the infrastructure and people are the same. I think the old SR should be wrapped in somehow, but it's seen as a new airline. The list assumes that a 5 year old airline is better than a 50 year old airline that has old fatals. Should an old Piedmont or Allegheny fatal be counted against AA, which has both back in their corporate tree? Or should the Piedmont crash 40 years ago be counted against the current Piedmont, which is a separate entity that is a subsidiary of AA?
     
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    These are valid points, though some of these are answered in the entirety of the article. I only posted an excerpt which doesn’t tell the whole story.

    But you are right in that even if you read the whole article, some questions do still remain.
     
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    Era Alaska existed only for a few years They are currenly called Ravn Alaska, and were previously Era Aviation. They have had fatal accidents during the time when they were called Era Aviation, during the perioid they were called Era Alaska, and during the period they have been called Ravn. They have been under NTSB scrutiny for a looooong time. BS list is BS.

    https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-recs/RecLetters/A-14-022-023.pdf

    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/4-killed-including-baby-western-alaska-crash/2013/11/30/

    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/avi...n-southwest-alaska-rescue-operation-underway/
     
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    Lol “safety”
     
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    Ok so we’ll avoid pinnacle, Swiss, EraAlaska, Southwest, and AA.

    Good thing we can fly ourselves in America.

    In Europe, we will just have to drive, except England because left side is crazy; and who wants to go anywhere in Alaska LOL so they can have hybrid cycles.

    We can all breathe easier once we get to Asia, or at least until the impending one-world government, when we can have a single carrier, Hainan Group.

    I’m going to make my airline choice based on paint schemes.

    I like maroon.