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Final Approach
For those that fly IFR to AirVenture, how did the service this year compare
to prior years?
to prior years?
The ATC service?For those that fly IFR to AirVenture, how did the service this year compare
to prior years?
ground control is still part of ATC. The controller on the ground position up in the tower are just as competent and trained as the other controllers. GC takes a lot of skill and with all the traffic on the ground at OSH I can see them having some interesting challenges.That's a ground control thing, though, not ATC.
Self-administered dope slap. I know that GC is part of ATC, at least in the movement areas, which is what I was talking about. I think I was confusing it with the volunteers directing people to parking. Thanks!ground control is still part of ATC. The controller on the ground position up in the tower are just as competent and trained as the other controllers. GC takes a lot of skill and with all the traffic on the ground at OSH I can see them having some interesting challenges.
A lot of it is getting the flow right. If you ever notice at KORD it sure seems that one ring of the taxi way is going one way and you have to get on it and keep going in the direction to you get where you are going.
The ATC service?
I was flying back from Traverse city and heard Minn Center holding up quit a bit of traffic on the east side of Lake Michigan due to flow issues going into OSH. There was some sort of problem getting reservation slots. From what I heard on the radio there was conflicting guidance on who needed them and how to get them.
But I must admit all I have is hearsay as I was not flying into OSH so I never looked at the NOTAM myself.
Well, they did ask if we could accept 7000 as a final altitude on the return trip becasue of a lot of traffic above. We acquiesced. King Air C90, KOSH - 1C5. Chicago takes you below 4000' before the state border anyways.Yes, the ATC service. The airspace in the OSH/SBM/FLD area was transferred from Chicago ARTCC to Milwaukee TRACON last February. I wanted users to compare their experiences with them.
Well, they did ask if we could accept 7000 as a final altitude on the return trip becasue of a lot of traffic above. We acquiesced. King Air C90, KOSH - 1C5. Chicago takes you below 4000' before the state border anyways.
I didn't file it, the PIC did, so I don't know. FWIW, we did 11,000 heading north.What altitude had you filed? The airspace at and below 13,000' was transferred from ZAU to MKE. MKE split it into two sectors, RIPON LO has 6000' and down, RIPON HI has 7,000' thru 13,000'.
I flew in sans traffic VFR and had to wait a whole 5 minutes to get out VFR. Worked great for me.
Yes, the ATC service. The airspace in the OSH/SBM/FLD area was transferred from Chicago ARTCC to Milwaukee TRACON last February. I wanted users to compare their experiences with them.
ground control is still part of ATC. The controller on the ground position up in the tower are just as competent and trained as the other controllers. GC takes a lot of skill and with all the traffic on the ground at OSH
While that is true at probably every other airport, and even OSH 51 weeks of the year. It is not true at THE week of OSH. ATC for the most part, does not control the taxiways, or taxiing aircraft. If you ask for taxi clearance/instructions, you will generally be told to "Follow the EAA flagmen." Ground may ask IFR aircraft to give position reports on their way to the runway, but that is only to determine when they will be #1 so they can get a release from the RADAR facility.