Don't buy those G5's

Discussion in 'Avionics and Upgrades' started by Cruzinchris, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. Cruzinchris

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    Garmin sucks! :p
     
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    Who’s turn to buy the popcorn?
     
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    If this in't just a troll thread.... Why in the world anyone consider a simple heading indicator an advantage over a full HSI?
     
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    The G5 PFD is nice. $2200. The G5 HSI adds HSI+GS and GPS roll-steering on legacy autopilots. $2900. VFR Aspen starts at $9K. Say again?
     
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    VFR Aspen is about $5,000 and does more than two G5s.
     
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    VFR PFD Aspen starts at 5k i believe. it is now essentially being replaced by the e5 which adds minimal CDI capability and supposedly a different screen technology, for the same price as the old VFR PFD; which i think didnt have any course deviation display.


    ETA: @Clark1961 beat me to it
     
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    And Aspen doesn't have an HSI like the G5, unless someone pays $5000 extra. Who wants a CDI & Heading indicator when you can have a whole HSI for less money?
     
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    Why In the hell do people (mainly Aspen) think it’s a fair comparison to compare a VFR Aspen to a dual G5??? For a fair comparison compare a VFR Aspen to a single AI G5 OR an Aspen Pro1000 (plus potential gpss adapter) to dual G5’s.

    It’s apples to oranges the way it’s being presented. The two units each have pros and cons but an HSI-less Aspen with no gpss is substantially less functional for many planes.
     
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    Disagree entirely. The new Aspen is much more capable than two G5s.
     
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    I want to hear from somebody here who has actually had 2 X G5 installed in their plane, has all these features above functioning, including GPSS on a legacy autopilot, and only paid Garmin $2200 + $2900 for the hardware & software.

    Call me skeptical.
     
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    More capable of complete failure is certainly true. The lacking of an HSI or gpss is a significant flaw. And saying the Aspen is more capable because you have the option of spending an additional 5k to unlock those features Ian laughable.

    Let’s compare them as they come. As advertised. $4,995 to $5200.

    Define capable.
     
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    Me. Total cost of hardware plus install was right at 9k. Gpss works beautifully. The G5 HSI is about 75% of the labor since it requires the magnetometer and gad29b (both included in the $2900).

    Installed in a PA32-301. Both G5’s communicate and receive gpss from my IFD 550.
     
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    The Aspen has GPSS. The Aspen has CDI function on the heading indicator. The Aspen has two nav inputs vs the G5s one. The Aspen has a viable and reasonable upgrade path.

    Do you really need more?
     
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    And yes. Yes I AM special.
     
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    I just like the competition. Hope they keep it up, by the time I am ready to go 2020 compliant (last possible moment), the price just might be right to do other stuff.
     
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    $7600 includes installation.
     
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    You’re the only one who has made that claim about you. Maybe it’s time for you to reassess that opinion...
     
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    Yes, like Aspen claims easy installation...it’s not, you have to pull headliner to install antenna/oat sensor to give you backup GPS. On my plane that requires entire interior to be pulled. Not that it helps, Aspen infamous red X failure if something goes amiss.
    Upgrade path doesn’t include a screen designed in this century.
     
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    hhhmm, you're not very smart, are you......

    but we all knew that about you already based on your posts.
     
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    The direct overhead isn’t a required location. Some folks use it. The empennage location is easier.

    I’d believe the screen wasn’t designed this decade. This century? Well, let’s just say that’s a stretch. No need to make stuff up.
     
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    I have, 7600 installed, talks to century 2000 AP with GPSS


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    Actually the 4995 version Aspen doesn’t even have GPSS, u need another 1 AMU for the ACU to enable GPSS. In all fairness Aspen has ADC, G5 doesn’t, G5 has HSI, aspen doesn’t


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    I stand corrected on the gpss of the E5. That is a nice addition for the VFR model. Certainly attributable to needing to compete with the G5’s.

    Competition is good. I’ll keep my G5’s. Not a single thing the Aspen would do for me over them that I would pay a dime for. Redundancy, no big red X, and almost zero chance to be force grounded at any time, cheaper simpler install, etc were all big factors for me as well.

    Oh and fwiw my 9AMU install is a little inflated because I had extra labor involved with installing the G5’s separately. I installed the first one prior to the HSI version being available. I also paid a little premium by being one of the first to have it installed. 9AMU is probably high end these days.
     
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    Is Aspen E5 VFR only?


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    Still not bad. Ours was about $8300 for two G5s and vacuum removal. Couldn't be more happy with the install or the G5s. Upgraded the software yesterday, in the hangar vs taking it back to the avionics shop.
     
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    Iterate the capabilities of both please.
     
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    Does it really do more if you can't fly IFR with it?

    Its definitely worth spending money on panel goodies for IFR flying that reduce workload, increase redundancy and don't have failure modes that are disorienting and hard to detect (vacuum GYROs). For VFR though?
     
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    From Aspen web site: Versatile Performance – presents attitude information with altitude, airspeed, vertical speed plus DG/CDI course deviation indicator into a single display with a backup battery. Includes Global Positioning System (GPSS) Steering, air data computer and attitude heading reference system (ADAHRS)

    So are they being misleading by saying "Includes gpss"?
     
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    Technically I don't think it is "VFR only". It's labelled that because it is aimed at the lower hanging fruit by removing several functions that most IFR pilots desire (such as HSI).
     
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    I wouldn't buy a 530W now that the 750s are available, so why would I buy old Aspen technology when new G5s are available. I'd love it if Aspen came out with something new rather than just a rehash of an old product, to give some real competition.
     
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    I think the folks that buy a Trutrak autopilot and an Aspen are gonna enjoy them.
     
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    If your airplane is...

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    then no G5 for you.
     
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    Thank you. I recall your earlier posts about it now. Real experience counts for a lot. As I recall your legacy autopilot was a Century (III?).
     
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    Century 41
     
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    Ha! Funny.

    But, you're wrong. Low wing. Taildragger.
     
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    Anybody here done this 2 X G5 with GPSS to a Piper Altimatic IIIc?