Diamond DA50

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  1. Alex G.

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    Nice new airplane from the Austrian manufacturer.

    Diesel engine, going to have a retractable gear next year.

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  2. Matthew Rogers

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    Under 10 gph for 300 hp! And burning sub $3 Jet A. That sounds cheap.
     
  3. Kelvin

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    Been stalking this one for years...not getting excited about this picture.

    Bah humbug
     
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  4. Datadriver

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    visibility out the front looks awful
     
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    price?












    .....don't answer, I'm being rhetorical.
     
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    An unproven engine on a new airframe? Diamond's got guts.
     
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    Must have awesome George and ADSB, why would you need to look outside ?

    Confused
     
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    The plane is bigger than that picture makes it look. Will see, but I bet the visibility is pretty good. I think it looks pretty sexy but always been a fan of Diamonds.
     
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    beautiful bird, but not my style. If I win the lotto that I don’t play, I’d go buy a Cessna 195 or beaver or something... but we need innovation too in GA by all means!
     
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    That's amazing. If only they would switch to a side stick or yoke.

    Diamonds may be a lot of things, good and bad, but no one ever claimed they had poor viability.
     
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    When Diamond says "next year", what is the aviation year conversion chart? Is it converted to dog years? So next year = 7 years from now?
     
  12. Kenny Phillips

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    A certified engine on an airframe they've been flying for five years.
     
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  14. GBSoren

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    I've always liked Diamond's too. If money weren't an object a DA62 would be on top of the list for me!

    The DA50 has been rumored and in prototype for years, it's been through several different engine options. I'd love to see it come to the market, but honestly doubt it'll happen. The single engine HP market is pretty well locked down my Cirrus, at least in North America.

    In Europe having a Jet-A plane is a bigger deal, so maybe I'll be proven wrong.
     
  15. Kenny Phillips

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    A "locked down" market is exactly what Diamond is attacking. It's no so much that there were DA50 teething problems, it's that they wasted time on the D-Jet, and went through a change of ownership. For the same money, I'd take the Diamond over an SR22; I'd even pay more if the cockpit was larger.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm actually rooting for Diamond to get the DA50 to market. I'd love to see a Jet-A option in the single HP market, especially with retract. I'd take the DA50 over an SR22 (if I could afford either) myself. Time will tell if they can get it to market, then how the market reacts.
     
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    That wing is not fat enough to be a retract. If they retracted into the belly, the gear would be too narrow and it would be a handful to land and taxi. I don't see a retract in the future of that airframe.
     
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    Didn't seem to slow Lindberg down any.
     
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    In terms of having a diesel, I chatted with the manager at Soloy who's running their STC program for the SMA diesel in 182s. They are expecting it to be available late this year. It won't be cheap though, although the estimated price he gave me was a good $40k down from the previous figures.
     
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    I wouldn't exactly call it "new". They've been hawking some version of it off and on for a decade, but they keep getting distracted by other projects it seems.

    At various points, they've promised both retract and pressurized versions.

    Diamond isn't afraid of that. They released the DA42 into the US market with the Thielert 1.7L diesels and ended up getting burned, hard.

    They started their own engine company (Austro) and released the DA42NG with yet another unproven diesel. Seems to be going OK.

    They did it again with the DA62.

    What's ironic, and somewhat puzzling to me, is that they're using a Continental diesel, and Continental's diesels started life as... Thielert! I'm surprised they're not using an Austro diesel, unless they're not planning on Austro sticking around long term.
     
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    Makes good sense.

    Diamond ended up in the engine business out of necessity after Thielert imploded on them. I'm not aware of any other aircraft manufacturer of any significance that R&Ds and builds their own engines - not Textron, Piper, Cirrus, Boeing or Airbus. ;)

    The R&D and certification $ alone for a new engine are surely a killer. And as discussed on another thread or two here, Diamond isn't exactly having a good time right now with the Austro either.

    The 300 hp Continental diesel is a V6 auto derivative. Not sure how much Thielert heritage there is in that series. But having an established airplane engine manufacturer footing the R&D, certification costs, manufacturing investment and maintenance support should reduce both the risk and capital demands on Diamond, allowing it to devote more of its resources to improving and expanding its airplane product suite. And there's the chance those engine costs get amortized over more airframes, from other plane makers, than just Diamonds (maybe a Cirrus diesel?).

    It wouldn't surprise me if Diamond sells or spins off Austro in due course.
     
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    Ummmm... Textron?

    You mean the folks who own Lycoming, Cessna, and Beech? Yeah, that was all M&A vs. R&D but Cessna switched to Lycoming after they were both under the Textron umbrella. Beech still uses Continentals but it's unlikely that they sell enough new Bonanzas and Barons to make certifying it with a new engine worthwhile.
     
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    Well, I think it's kind of ugly myself...
     
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    Well its certainly not a high wing tail dragger in terms of looks, I'm not saying that :)
     
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    ...from one tail dragger pilot to another... I'm with you. ;)
     
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