Congressman Involvement - Good or Bad?

[Warren Dunes]

There should be no AFT office.

Should be a convenience store.

Used to be one near Portage De Sioux (St. Louis MO) "Bait, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms" (and yes they sold each).

 

[Lindberg]

Everyone loves to complain about the TSA but there have been zero hijackings in the US since the TSA was created in November 2001. Hard to get better than 100%.

Is this one of those sarcastic posts?

 

[Daleandee]

Since there is no market to force them to be responsive to customers, some other form of external pressure is necessary.

This is the point I was driving at in another thread:

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/com...ical-si-initial-decision.135376/#post-3177705

 

[Ed Haywood]

Is this one of those sarcastic posts?

Not in the slightest.

 

[RussR]

Everyone loves to complain about the TSA but there have been zero hijackings in the US since the TSA was created in November 2001. Hard to get better than 100%.

Unfortunately, something not happening is never proof of something else working.

I've never been attacked by a tiger, therefore my deodorant must be an effective tiger repellant. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[Bob Noel]

Everyone loves to complain about the TSA but there have been zero hijackings in the US since the TSA was created in November 2001. Hard to get better than 100%.

But your point is well taken. The US is pretty much the world leader in aviation. The FAA can't be that bad.

at the risk of derailing the thread...um, how many hijackings occurred in the US before 9/11?

But I agree that the US is pretty much the world leader in aviation.

 

[Lindberg]

Unfortunately, something not happening is never proof of something else working.

Not to mention that we know guns and bombs have been carried on board airliners since the TSA's been in charge. The lack of hijackings has everything to do with what happens on board the planes and very little to do with what happens at the security checkpoint. In fact, there's no evidence that a TSA security checkpoint has prevented a single hijacking.

 

[AKiss20]

at the risk of derailing the thread...um, how many hijackings occurred in the US before 9/11?

But I agree that the US is pretty much the world leader in aviation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#1990s

I count 5 originating in the US in the 20 years prior to 9/11, but only 1 of those was in the 90s and it was a disgruntled employee so not sure it really counts (see the Dash 8 in Vancouver).

Pretty much every efficacy test of the TSA shows it does a pretty horrible job

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/a...a-screeners-missing-many-test-weapons-n819191
https://www.heritage.org/transporta...iling-airport-security-its-time-privatization (for people who refuse to believe anything that is left of FOX)

That being said, you don't need a very high efficacy to be able to say the "TSA reduced the risk". The question is how much and is it worth the cost (be it economic, social, societal etc), even a 0.001% reduction is still a reduction. It's probably pretty hard to argue that the TSA has not reduced the probability at all (or increased it for that matter), but it's not that hard to argue the TSA has not reduced it very much and is a very inefficient way to achieve that small decrease.

 

[murphey]

at the risk of derailing the thread...um, how many hijackings occurred in the US before 9/11?

But I agree that the US is pretty much the world leader in aviation.

Quite a few, but they were not in the category as 9/11. Late 70’s my office mate and I were going Houston to Florida to vidit client, separate commercial flights due to schedules. I was fine, he got hijacked to Cuba. Company required everyone to carry passports from then on, regardless of the route.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...t_hijackings&usg=AOvVaw1CpVaM4YmNgSJkj7R_r_eW

 

[Lindberg]

Quite a few, but they were not in the category as 9/11. Late 70’s my office mate and I were going Houston to Florida to vidit client, separate commercial flights due to schedules. I was fine, he got hijacked to Cuba. Company required everyone to carry passports from then on, regardless of the route.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiB_cej-uD0AhUSKn0KHc4NCSQQFnoECBcQAQ&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings&usg=AOvVaw1CpVaM4YmNgSJkj7R_r_eW

Those pretty much went by the wayside in the 80s with the "old" airline security.

 

[BladeSlap]

And delayed 3 other guys. Like I said FAA falling behind is a self fulfilling prophesy.

So maybe if everyone got congress involved, and the FAA had to deal with that, maybe they’d not play the games they currently play with people.