Class C and ADS-B

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The class C airspace around me has no ADS-B capability only mode C transponders show up, how many Class C have no ADS-B. Have you ever asked if your Class C has ADS-B or you are just a blip with altitude and they have no idea who you are. Is this only Class C, are their any Class B or ATC control of Calss A that do not have ADS-B capability? Seems like the only people that have good ADS-B capability are the airports that charge a landing fee using ADS-B to bill you.
 
They don’t have the capability, or they don’t have it selected? The facility where my brother used to work, they never had it selected.
 
They don’t have the capability, or they don’t have it selected? The facility where my brother used to work, they never had it selected.
Whidbey approach no capability for ADS-B old Class C, other than asking them is their any listing of who is and who is not ADS-B capable.
 
Just because an ATC controller in Class C may not have ADSB capability to view the data does not negate the fact that 14CFR91.225(d)(1) requires the aircraft to have ADS-B out capability in that airspace.

I once checked in with approach control for VFR Flight following while approaching the Class B Mode C Veil. The controller knew the aircraft information right away. I asked if she was getting that off the ADS-B. She said, no, she just knew all the NxxxND callsigns from the local flight school. Then she issued me a traffic advisory for another aircraft that would be above me and "appeared to be circling". I spied the traffic visually, and then informed her that according to my ADSB-In data, that was another "ND" aircraft.

A lot of controllers may not display ADSB data if it is available, until they need it. Too much data on the screen increases the size of the data block and could cover another aircraft. Non controlled aircraft, just show the 1200 or 1202 and altitude, an "unverified" altitude that cannot be used for separation, "altitude shows 3600ft unverified".
 
Whidbey approach no capability for ADS-B old Class C, other than asking them is their any listing of who is and who is not ADS-B capable.
IIRC, Whidbey is a Navy operated Approach control, with Navy (not FAA) controllers and Navy equipment. ADS-B is not really a thing for military so it's not surprising they don't have an ADS-B feed to their scopes.
 
It has been within the last year or so I have noticed that the controllers at our local Class C airport occasional call my n-number in the blind. Usually it is something "Nxxx27 Big Sky Approach, do you read" usually nothing serious something like "Are you inbound?" which I usually am and they issue me a squawk code. I think they have the information available and aren't to busy so just proactively contact me.

Probably helps that I do a lot of training there and they usually recognize the N number as a our training aircraft.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL
 
Whidbey approach no capability for ADS-B old Class C, other than asking them is their any listing of who is and who is not ADS-B capable.

Haven't seen any list online. Thought the AIM might have it but it just lists class Cs by state.
 
Facility sup at Whidbey said they’re on the list to get it either late this year / early next year.
 
I fly near KOZR (Fort Novosel, AL). Army Class D with an approach control. They have ADS-B capability and have it selected. I've been cold called by tail number while simply monitoring them, having not opened up with them.
 
I fly near KOZR (Fort Novosel, AL). Army Class D with an approach control. They have ADS-B capability and have it selected. I've been cold called by tail number while simply monitoring them, having not opened up with them.
Yeah Cairns was the first Army facility to get it. I imagine one of the early military facilities as well.

Old ATC bud in the foreground. He actually wasn’t a big ADS-B fan back in the day. Didn’t really see the benefits. At least on the ATC side.

 
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