At this point I am not sure it is feasible with so many Regs, restrictions, unknowns, requirements etc……No wonder why Waco and Spirit are not longer in business!
ICAO compliance only matters if you fly the plane outside of your home country. Canada has an owner maintenance category, but I believe it permanently changes the aircraft registration to one allowing no commercial use or international travel.
Yes and no. 80% of the FARs are written to meet the requirements of our membership in ICAO and under the Chicago Convention. This is why we certify and register aircraft in a specific manner, certify pilots and mechanics in a certain manner, and even manage our NAS in a certain manner. So if the FAA were to adopt a new mechanic's certification that did not meet the requirements of ICAO Annex 1, those aircraft maintained under that new mx certificate would no longer meet ICAO requirements and would not be covered under the ICAO member agreements. This is why the TCCA Owner Maintained aircraft have their data plates permanently marked and are banned from export or operation outside of Canada under any ICAO agreement. I believe one of the reasons the TCCA program and the Primary Non-Commercial category attempt here did not gain the popularity that was envisioned was simply because those aircraft would basically lose their ICAO identity.
Good morning All
One of the reasons FAA regs are copied and pasted is because the FAA already do the research to make the regs ICAO compliant and/or apply appropriate limitations when they’re not ICAO compliant.
Not quite. In general, the Chicago Convention Articles and ICAO Annexes were created in the mid-1940s by combining the existing aviation guidance and rules from the US, UK, and France. So, the ICAO guidance comes partly from the original CARs which became the FARs and not the reverse.
Having been through this specific training (assuming you mean the ABS Mechanic Academy which is not for owners, it is for A&Ps), and having hosted it several times at our shop -- uh, no. 2 days of "common errors" training does not a mechanic make.
Simply because none of those other industries are a signatory to an international agreement as noted above. And in the same light, none of those other industries mentioned provide lesser regulated paths to the same end result that the aviation regulatory system does for flying an aircraft.
I’m not sure what “animate” means in this context, but when the crash happens it’s not “only” the owner. It’s very common to see statements like this…
My error, misspelled, I meant “against”
Geez, let’s hope there’s zero chance of that ever happening. Owners are already cheap enough to skimp on annual performed by A&P’s. Last thing we need are these same guys doing things they don’t know how to do and to a lower standard. I shouldn’t let threads like this get under my skin, but I’m passionate about this stuff.
Depends on your point of view. Since certain owners already play the cheap game by seeking out IAs that sell signatures, if that same owner could do it themselves on their specific aircraft, then those IAs will be out of business, and the cheap owner would own it all with no fall guy in the middle. No sense penalizing the entire industry who would use that capability in a proper manner and enjoy the flexibility.
Having been through this specific training (assuming you mean the ABS Mechanic Academy which is not for owners, it is for A&Ps), and having hosted it several times at our shop -- uh, no. 2 days of "common errors" training does not a mechanic make.
If you mean the 90 minute service clinic (now "Beech Maintenance Evaluation"), double no. Writing squawks shot at you out of a firehose does not a mechanic make. Frankly, from some of the nonsense planes I've seen at those, I bet it has made a few ex-owners
With all due respect I don’t expect emisión controls to change in the next 2 years and 8 months……and yes I do live in an area where emissions tests are mandatory for our cars…..allways happily have complied with them every year!
Curious. How much preventive maintenance do you perform now under your pilot certificate on your aircraft per the category list found in Part 43 Appx A(c)?
This assumes the owner took notes, and then didn't subsequently eat them?
They're as good as a 90-minute "experts eye the thing you flew in" can possibly be. It's awesome when an owner gets read the "yeah that's a total deathcookie hombre, I'd ground it now" and the owner flies away, presumably in search of a second opinion.
It’s hard to quantify, but Under that list for preventive maintenance covering the 30 elements allowed for an owner probably about 300-400 hrs in 25 years plus all time spent under the IA and AP supervision for annuals and unscheduled maintenance .
And how long ago did you start logging that?
So you spend on average 15 hours per year working on preventive mx items and signing those off under your pilot certificate? What specific tasks do you comply with during those prevent mx 15 hours? And what would be a typical unscheduled mx task you performed under supervision?
I have never logged in my maintenance time……………just estimates
Agree, thanks! Something along those lines is what I envision: Would help tremendously the pilot owners willing to do it ( and the economy overall) and will alleviate the AP shortage. Some may view it as being cheap, I view it as being responsible and caring.
Never thought about this, interesting.
This. Except I don't think the IA should be included on several levels.
Except it already happens in a limited fashion on TC'd aircraft as you note with preventive mx since there is no Part 65 certification for those pilots, and also with a repairman working under a CRS. And if you compare the current Part 65 repairman requirements there are no limitations that would prevent that expansion. And since an LSR is a Part 65 certification, plus the fact Part 23 was rewritten under consensus standards, which is similar to how Part 22 has been written, there is now a solid regulatory foundation between all these existing rules.
"Most countries".
Under Preventive Maint 43 Appendix A I have done:
Good. Unfortunately, more often than not, people who rally for an owner-based maintenance privilege do not perform any prevent mx on their aircraft now. So it makes one wonder, if they want more ability, why don't they do what they can now.