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Having a hard time with understanding one of the requirements for CFI-S - given MOSAIC, can anyone tell if the 15 hours of LSA time has to be in an aircraft certified with a special airworthiness certificate as LSA, or be a Light Sport eligible aircraft?
 
"15 hours of flight time as pilot in command in a single-engine airplane that is an aircraft meeting the performance limits and design requirements of § 61.316."

15 hours in an airplane that can be flown by a sport pilot. Says nothing about how the aircraft must be certificated. Got 15 hours in a 172? It appears that you should be good to go.
 
As already mentioned, as long the airplane is Sport Pilot eligible, good-to-go.

The rationale for those 15 hours was rooted in the pre-MOSAIC Sport Pilot rules. Since CFI-S is open to all pilots, not just Sport Pilots, they wanted to ensure that a prospective CFI-S actually has experience in aircraft substantially similar to those in which they will be instructing.

Post-MOSAIC, it's basically a non-issue. Since common trainers like C150/C152/C172 are now Sport Pilot eligible, I can't imagine that there are many pilots that have not already long since satisfied those 15 hours.
 
SkyHog said:
Having a hard time with understanding one of the requirements for CFI-S - given MOSAIC, can anyone tell if the 15 hours of LSA time has to be in an aircraft certified with a special airworthiness certificate as LSA, or be a Light Sport eligible aircraft?
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Without looking, I can tell you that the source of your confusion is using the terms "LSA" in connection with anything in Part 61. Post-MOSAIC, that term no longer exists except in connection with aircraft certification and repairman privileges.

Edit: that's actually the very beginning of the MOSAIC presentation I'm preparing for a local EAA chapter next month.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Without looking, I can tell you that the source of your confusion is using the terms "LSA" in connection with anything in Part 61. Post-MOSAIC, that term no longer exists except in connection with aircraft certification and repairman privileges.

Edit: that's actually the very beginning of the MOSAIC presentation I'm preparing for a local EAA chapter next month.
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Was the term “LSA” useful in connection with the flight instructor requirement prior to MOSAIC?
 
midlifeflyer said:
Without looking, I can tell you that the source of your confusion is using the terms "LSA" in connection with anything in Part 61. Post-MOSAIC, that term no longer exists except in connection with aircraft certification and repairman privileges.

Edit: that's actually the very beginning of the MOSAIC presentation I'm preparing for a local EAA chapter next month.
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Oh man, I know exactly what you mean. Not directed at anyone in this thread, but I've seen it elsewhere on a regularly basis: it's pet peeve of mine when someone says "Light Sport Pilot" or "LSA Pilot" when referring to the Sport Pilot certificate.

Especially now, since MOSAIC basically unhitched one from the other.
 
HornedFrogGrant said:
Oh man, I know exactly what you mean. Not directed at anyone in this thread, but I've seen it elsewhere on a regularly basis: it's pet peeve of mine when someone says "Light Sport Pilot" or "LSA Pilot" when referring to the Sport Pilot certificate.
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Kind of like when “CFI” only refers to an instructor with Airplane-Single Engine instructor ratings?
 
HornedFrogGrant said:
Oh man, I know exactly what you mean. Not directed at anyone in this thread, but I've seen it elsewhere on a regularly basis: it's pet peeve of mine when someone says "Light Sport Pilot" or "LSA Pilot" when referring to the Sport Pilot certificate.
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It's not only the semantics. The decoupling led to a lot of confusion and not only for pilots. My FAASafety PM is an ASI on the maintenance area and he told me that he's heard light sport repairmen claim that they can now work on Cessna 172s because they are now light sport aircraft.

I think the error is understandable when the FAA chooses to (re)use the same term for two completely different things.
 
At one point in the MOSAIC proposals, they (the FAA) were calling it "Light Personal Aircraft" (LPA) instead of LSA. Pity they didn't keep it; it could have avoided confusion.
 
midlifeflyer said:
My FAASafety PM is an ASI on the maintenance area and he told me that he's heard light sport repairmen claim that they can now work on Cessna 172s because they are now light sport aircraft.
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I assume they were working on Cubs, Champs, T'craft, etc. pre-MOSAIC? o_O
 
midlifeflyer said:
It's not only the semantics. The decoupling led to a lot of confusion and not only for pilots. My FAASafety PM is an ASI on the maintenance area and he told me that he's heard light sport repairmen claim that they can now work on Cessna 172s because they are now light sport aircraft.

I think the error is understandable when the FAA chooses to (re)use the same term for two completely different things.
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The FAA isn’t helping matters with photos like this on their own “Fact Sheet:”

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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
I assume they were working on Cubs, Champs, T'craft, etc. pre-MOSAIC? o_O
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Not legally, unless it was an SLSA certificated Cub (Carbon Cub, Legend, maybe others?). But not a Piper Cub.

Pre-MOSAIC, an LSRM or LSRI could only work on SLSA or ELSA certificated aircraft, not type certificated aircraft. MOSAIC adds E-AB to the aircraft the LSRM/I can work on, but still not type certificated aircraft.
 
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