CFI endorsement ?

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  1. Stets656

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    Student pilot walked in and had previously solo'd. His 90 day endorsement expired and needs a new one. Do I need to administer new knowledge test and all new endorsements or can I just add on an additional 90 day once I find him proficient in the airplane?
     
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    I've always just done it as an additional 90 endorsement. That being said I don't give it out freely, they will have to demonstrate to me their knowledge and ability just like any other student pilot. Once my signature is in their logbook, they are my responsibility.
     
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    I would say it depends, I'm not a cfi, but someone who flew once in the last 90 days deserves more scrutiny than one who is taking lessons and flying regularly.
     
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    Probably depends on whether the first endorsement was signed by you, or some other instructor you know (perhaps in your school?).

    I've had both situations. New CFI in a different city or state, took a test. Same CFI or same school, it just got signed.
     
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    "Must" you? No.

    He already has the solo endorsement and has taken the knowledge test applicable to the airplane and the airport. So long as it is not a new airport or a new make and model airplane, that part is done.

    He already has his initial solo flight endorsement, so that paperwork part is over with. Of course, as you said, as the instructor doing a 90-day, you must have [61.195(d)(1)]:
    (i) Given that student the flight training required for solo flight privileges required by this part; and
    (ii) Determined that the student is prepared to conduct the flight safely under known circumstances, subject to any limitations listed in the student's logbook that the instructor considers necessary for the safety of the flight.​
     
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    When I extend a solo endorsement that I didn’t initiate I feel based on FAR 61.195 I need to see him fly and demonstrate knowledge to my solo standards.

    I have a look at his log books and see if he has the cross country sign offs that are required for his recent flying. I don’t want my name in someone’s log book that doesn’t follow the rules.

    If there are limitations on his sign off I make certain I understand the reason for them and continue the limitations if the situation is unchanged.

    I was contacted by the FSDO after a mishap with someone I had recently given an extension to. His flight instructor was no longer instructing.

    I described what I had done and it was the end of it after some confusion about log book entries had been cleared up.

    There was no further follow up.
     
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    61.87(b) Aeronautical knowledge. A student pilot must demonstrate satisfactory aeronautical knowledge on a knowledge test that meets the requirements of this paragraph:

    (1) The test must address the student pilot's knowledge of—

    (i) Applicable sections of parts 61 and 91 of this chapter;

    (ii) Airspace rules and procedures for the airport where the solo flight will be performed; and

    (iii) Flight characteristics and operational limitations for the make and model of aircraft to be flown.

    (2) The student's authorized instructor must—

    (i) Administer the test
    ; and

    (ii) At the conclusion of the test, review all incorrect answers with the student before authorizing that student to conduct a solo flight.
     
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    Does this apply to the repeat endorsements after the student has their initial solo endorsement?
     
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    You do not have to. If you choose to you can. if the student does not want to he can feel free to find another CFI. He already has the endorsement saying he passed a pre solo knowledge exam, but he is your potential superstar or headache now.
     
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    I’m not going to say it’s a requirement I’ll just tell you what I do. If I’ve never flown with the student I can’t solo them until I can personally attest to their knowledge and proficiency for everything required by the FAA prior to solo. It doesn’t take long to verify if they are proficient. A relaxing class session then an ~hour in the airplane. They get my presolo test as well.

    This has saved my bacon at least once. I inherited a student and after our first flight I took away his solo privileges at the school. Unfortunately one of the line guys missed the memo and rented to him. he promptly crashed the airplane.
     
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    newbie CFI question... what method was employed to revoke his solo privileges? Was the previous endorsement modified?
     
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    Nothing official with the FAA. The chief pilot gave him written notice he was no longer authorized to fly solo. Had him sign a copy that the school retained. Then his picture was posted behind the counter with a note that solo not authorized.

    It turned into a huge mess. The insurance company tried to recover their losses from him. Which was appropriate in my opinion. Then he sued everyone involved with his training. Eventually a settlement was reached. He dropped all his law suits in exchange for the insurance company agreeing to leave him alone. At least that’s what I was told. After it was all settled the dude actually wanted to resume training with me. I did not oblige him.
    The really ****ty part was he wadded up one of the nicest 152’s we operated.