CFI and student crash

[ahmad]

Flight instructor reported ‘some power loss’ before fatal Van Nuys plane crash

The 28-year-old instructor and 24-year-old student were conducting a series of touch-and-go landings before the small aircraft plummeted almost vertically into the ground.

www.google.com

Sad to see these things on daily basis. Van Nuys and surrounding area gives you very little area for a forced landing.

 

[MauleSkinner]

If the report is anywhere near accurate, sounds like they dropped the airplane to fly the engine gauges.

Security camera footage of the plane showed that on its approach to the airport, the aircraft made a 360-degree turn, “during which it experienced fluctuations in altitude,” the report states. The plane then returned to an approach pattern and made a banking left turn, “aggressively increasing the steepness of the bank.”
“As the bank angle intensified, the nose of the airplane dropped lower,” according to the report. “The airplane impacted in a near vertical attitude. There was no parachute deployed and the flaps appeared to be retracted.”

 

[Flying Keys]

Good update! Perhaps it can be merged into the existing thread:

California Van Nuys (KVNY)- SportCruiser crash 2, fatalities

CSA SportCruiser stalled and burned https://abc7.com/van-nuys-airport-plane-crash-aircraft-on-fire/13587720/

www.pilotsofamerica.com

 

[Clip4]

You are doing T&Gs, have a partial power loss at low altitude and are looking a exhaust gas temperatures? From Sport Cruiser POH.

6.1.2 Engine failure during take-off
1. Speed
2. Altitude
3. Wind
4. Landing area
5. Flaps
6. Fuel Selector
7. Ignition switch
8. Safety harness
9. Master switch
10. Land

6.1.3 Engine failure in flight
1. Push control stick forward
2. Speed
3. Altitude
4. Wind
5. Landing area
6. Flaps
7. Fuel Selector
8. Ignition switch
9. Safety harness
10. Master switch
11. Land

 

[dmspilot]

Maybe it's just perception but it seems like there is a rise in training accidents. It used to have one of the best safety records. It was extremely rare for a CFI and student to be killed.

 

[mandm]

Sad, RIP

 

[Clip4]

Maybe it's just perception but it seems like there is a rise in training accidents. It used to have one of the best safety records. It was extremely rare for a CFI and student to be killed.

With the poor quality CFI applicants the DPEs are passing today it is not a surprise.

 

[MauleSkinner]

Maybe it's just perception but it seems like there is a rise in training accidents. It used to have one of the best safety records. It was extremely rare for a CFI and student to be killed.

I’m thinking the Nall report called out training accidents as a major player quite a few years back.

 

[Flying Doc]

Lets wait for DTSB report in a few days before we jump to conclusions.

 

[2-Bit Speed]

Lets wait for DTSB report in a few days before we jump to conclusions.

You mean he doesn't have a video up YET?? Slacker...

 

[RyanShort1]

You mean he doesn't have a video up YET?? Slacker...

Getting a read on some of these accidents and pushing for better safety isn’t a bad thing, it’s poor, or unwise execution of that mission that is the issue.

 

[frfly172]

RIP

 

[dbahn]

You are doing T&Gs, have a partial power loss at low altitude and are looking a exhaust gas temperatures? From Sport Cruiser POH.

6.1.2 Engine failure during take-off
1. Speed
2. Altitude
3. Wind
4. Landing area
5. Flaps
6. Fuel Selector
7. Ignition switch
8. Safety harness
9. Master switch
10. Land

6.1.3 Engine failure in flight
1. Push control stick forward
2. Speed
3. Altitude
4. Wind
5. Landing area
6. Flaps
7. Fuel Selector
8. Ignition switch
9. Safety harness
10. Master switch
11. Land

Why first push the stick forward in flight when you have excess speed in a level attitude, but somehow not do that during take-off with a slow airspeed and high pitch attitude?

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Lets wait for DTSB report in a few days before we jump to conclusions.

Ya know, he just posts what we all think, in general. The theme is "the pilot screwed up". And it will be correct most of the time, whether I say it, or DG says it, or the NTSB says it.
I find Gryder occasionally entertaining, and I agree with him more often than not.

 

[Baked Potato]

Why first push the stick forward in flight when you have excess speed in a level attitude, but somehow not do that during take-off with a slow airspeed and high pitch attitude?

Yeah, those certainly seem backwards.

 

[X3 Skier]

Why first push the stick forward in flight when you have excess speed in a level attitude, but somehow not do that during take-off with a slow airspeed and high pitch attitude?

Might not be a good idea if there was an obstacle that needed to be cleared and at least some power was available.

 

[Clip4]

Why first push the stick forward in flight when you have excess speed in a level attitude, but somehow not do that during take-off with a slow airspeed and high pitch attitude?

Also my thoughts, but that is what the manufacturer includes in their emergency checklists. Note there is nothing that says check EGT.

 

[dbahn]

Note there is nothing that says check EGT.

LOL. Students are being taught to fly the electronics, not the airplane.

Unfortunately, the only electronics on that checklist are ignition and master switch, both of which get turned off only to reduce the chances of catching on fire when you crash.