Brand new RV-10 N783V first flight emergency

Discussion in 'Lessons Learned' started by jpskies, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. jpskies

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    Forward from a pilot friend:
    Real interesting ride-along with a guy in his brand new RV-10, which had taken him almost 4 years to build. His first cross-country, in this very well equipped aircraft. What could possibly go wrong?
    We can ALL learn from this.

     
  2. Datadriver

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    The G5 way off to the right doesn't help much if the EFIS tanks. Ideally the backup instruments are closer to the field of vision.
     
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    I just want to know why, when visibility of the ground returned, the decision to stay VFR was not made. He said unfamiliarity with the terrain, but in the video he looks really high and a quick check of the "chart" will show elevations of the ground. Sounded like the airport was also under 25 miles out. I think Page is also on the lake, not much terrain over the lake.
     
  4. Matthew Rogers

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    Wow, that looked like it was either Jerry flying on final or the early part of a graveyard spiral developing. Amazing to see how fast you can get into a steep spiral turn in IMC when things get busy.

    Looks like it is time for me to do some more unusual attitude training and work under the hood. I do wish that more actual IMC trainings was possible during PPL instruction. But with the lack of an IFR equipped airplane and instructors hesitant to go Actual, I never got deep into the clouds.
     
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    A couple of things. When the first contact was made with ATC, he was at 10,300, that is roughly 6000' above field elevation, and 25 miles from the destination. There is 5000' of elevation to lose down to pattern, thats 10 minutes at 500' per minute, 25 miles at 140 over the ground is, off the top of my head, about 10 minutes. Why at 10 minutes out has he not yet checked the weather at the destination airport, or started his descent? When ATC gives him the weather, the ceiling is 6500', I'm not the most studious, but metars are given in AGL. So add 6500' agl to field elevation of 4317', means the ceiling is at 10,800. He is right at the bottom of the clouds, both by the numbers and visually. Flying the approach will run you all over, why not start the descent that needs to have been already started and get out of the clouds? He could see the clouds, but he does not appear to try and avoid them. Pitot heat? That was the first thing I thought when his airspeed quit working. Never needed it in 20 years? does Texas never have a freezing level under the flight levels even in the winter? If the pitot froze, was he picking up ice on the wings?
    If a scenic flight, why fly at 6000' AGL anyway? Especially that close to the destination.

    He did keep his cool and fly the airplane even though he was behind the airplane. Good job on that!
     
  6. PaulS

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    Wow, what a chitshow. All in all, except for what he noted, not a bad job, good result. Could happen to any of us. Surprised that fancy avionics doesn't bark at you when temps drop to freezing.
     
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    At least he was IFR and current. Here's one that could have turned out ugly. I really hope I never feel the need to get there that bad ...

     
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    ..I don't understand how "oops, I'm IMC?!" happens, at least during the day

    I notice he conveniently pans the video to jump from the VMC to the IMC portion. Whatever happened to planning ahead, cloud clearances, etc

    He handled it all well from what I can see.. but at some point he made the decision to continue ahead and fly into IMC as opposed to turning around / deviating

    Maybe it can happen to some of us, but this isn't one of those things like a bird strike that really CAN happen to all of us just by sheer dumb luck. This involved some active decision making that brought him there.
     
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    Yah... not sure why he didn’t request the IFR sooner. I had a situation like that coming back from DC to Ohio. Somewhere around crossing the Ohio River, the scattered went broken and then full under cast. Destination was showing broken to scattered. Didn’t matter... hello Cleveland Center, I need an IFR clearance to my destination. Grumman, maintain VFR, squawk xxxx, I’ll have your IFR shortly. A few moments later, Grumman have your location as.... advise when ready to copy. Easy easy...
     
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    He says it all at 1:58. 'This is where I should have turned around.' Yep.
     
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    I have essentially the exact same set up. The cockpit of the 10 isn't ginormous so it's very easy to fly off of the G5. In my setup both alternators and both batteries and both G3Xs would have to fail to rely on the G5. If all that happens my goal is to just get out of IMC.
     
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    That was an excellent video and thanks for the pilot for posting it.
     
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    Forecast and METARs along entire route of flight are 4000 broken and visibility is 10 plus for the next 6 hours or more. About an hour into the flight a wall of clouds that go to the the ground develops in front of you, so you swing a 180 and find that it has come in behind you as well. You find yourself in a 10 mile diameter and shrinking hole of VMC. There are no airstrips in that circle. 4 attempts on 4 different FSS frequencies yield no response while performing 2 minute 360s. The hole continues to shrink and on your second attempted Center Frequency you finally get a response. By this time VMC is gone and you are fully in the soup before you finally get a clearance to OXI and then to your destination.
     
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    As I was reminded by Scott Denestadt on a one-on-one today - the 6 hours is a forecast "average probability". Within that 6 hours you can have a period of time that is solid IMC.
     
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    How was that session with Scott? Been thinking about doing one.

    As far as the OP, I saw it coming well before it happened as the crud kept lowering the visibility, I'm hoping I would have reacted sooner by asking for an IFR clearance before it became an emergency, but you never know.
     
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    Yeah, except it wasn't forecast at all. None of the models showed it even into the next day, in fact weather was forecast to be IMPROVING. That's like saying in August, there's an "average probability" you're going to have snow in Phoenix even though the lows are forecast to be 70 with highs of 120. Scott weasels out of and defends so many grossly wrong forecasts I can't take anything he says seriously. All he has to do is say, "yeah, we **** up forecasts from time to time, don't put much stock in them." Nope it's always some lame ass reason as to why the data wasn't right, or we don't know how to read a TAF correctly, or some other reason as to why the wx guys are never wrong. Please.

    This year alone there's been at least 10 SKC forecasts for 24+ hours and we end up with unforecast OVC010 and yes, I'm within the surface area of the TAF.
     
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    People, as we all know, make mistakes. Sometimes they string mistakes together to get in real sh*t. Sometimes it kills them.
     
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    Hey, look at that, it's like some haze and suddenly poof, you're in clouds. The bottom of cloud layers can be really indistinct, especially when they're grey against other grey clouds.

    I've also flown into rain that was between 3 and 5 miles visibility without being able to see how bad it was until I was in it. That could have easily become under 3 miles.
     
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    one thing that small airplane guys forget,when it goes bad and you need to talk to someone and you have no idea what freq to try, 121.5 is your friend. somebody will hear you and you will get a good freq quickly without having to take your eyes away from flying to try and look it up. thats what guard is for.
     
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    From what I’ve been hearing lately, if you go to 121.5 you’ll probably be ridiculed by the meowers and no one will believe you actually are legitimately in need of help. Yes, this actually happened to someone.
     
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    I don’t see weather sneaking up on anyone in this vid. At 1+40 it’s obvious, he’s not getting through that VMC. His statement at 2+03 is way late and seeing the ground isn’t VMC. He should’ve turned around long ago or at least paralleled the weather ahead to find a way around it.
     
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    That's because of all the a-holes meowing and joking around on it.
     
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    You're on GUARDDDDDDD
     
  24. Lndwarrior

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    Oh, so Scott is to blame when the dozens of weather forecast models that represent current technology, are wrong? So you feel Scott is personally responsible because computer models cannot predict every atmospheric condition?

    Or do you think Scott, and other weather forecasters, just make stuff up for entertainment?

    Sounds like someone belongs in the category of science denier...
     
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    yes there are a lot of idiots with the guuuaarrrdd crap but I have never heard anyone downplay anybody that was needing help on the freq. ive done more than a few relays to people that needed help getting comms.
     
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