Biffle Lawsuits begin.

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Greg Biffle's estate was hit with two multi-million dollar wrongful death lawsuits ... stemming from the tragic airplane crash that claimed the life of the NASCAR great and six others.

The estates of Dennis Dutton -- who was piloting the Cessna Citation II -- and his son Jack filed the suits earlier this week in Iredell County, North Carolina, claiming Biffle was ultimately responsible for the fatal accident on December 18.

The lawsuits allege the crash was caused, at least in part, by "inadequate maintenance and upkeep," which the Dutton estates claim fell to Biffle as the aircraft's owner.

**This will go hot.
 
Barrett50 said:
Jeezalou... And I thought I had big balls. It's some kind of brass to crash the guys plane, kill everyone and then sue them.
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Lawyers, it just takes lawyers … lawyers will survive and thrive where brass or even titanium balls will falter - what is really depressing is that these days they routinely succeed against common sense.
 
Warmi said:
Lawyers, it just takes lawyers … lawyers will survive and thrive where brass or even titanium balls will falter - what is really depressing is that these days they routinely succeed against common sense.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but - a liar, oops I mean lawyer can't initiate a tort without a plaintiff. Except in a case where the lawyer is the plaintiff.
 
Barrett50 said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but - a liar, oops I mean lawyer can't initiate a tort without a plaintiff. Except in a case where the lawyer is the plaintiff.
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People will often fold and succumb to their lowest instincts when presented with suitably convincing mirage of sudden riches- hell I probably would - I guess the trick is to organize a society is a way to avoid rewarding such outcomes and redirect rewards towards hard work based outcomes instead but alas … we are not there yet, in fact we may be moving in the opposite direction ….
 
And this right after it was discovered that the theft of the house and over $30k in money was likely an inside job from people tasked with keeping watch over the place after the crash. I guess this is what goodwill and general kindness gets you in these United States nowadays.

Is there an emoji for crying in one's whiskey glass?
 
  • The suit claims there was a failure to conduct adequate inspections, repairs, and safety checks on the plane.
  • Preliminary NTSB findings (referenced in reports surrounding the incident) noted that a thrust reverser indicator light was inoperative, and the pilot's altimeter was providing incorrect readings before the crash.
 
Biffle's helo pilot and the pilot's wife have warrants for their arrests. Sounds like they stole banking info after breaking into Biffle's house after the crash and also stole money, guns, and NASCAR stuff

This is getting entertaining
 
robin ardoin said:
Money can’t buy happiness….but it makes misery much more tolerable. LOL
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I've heard it said that "it's better to cry in the back of a Mercedes than sitting on a bicycle."

Charlie Rich sang an old song saying, "can't take it with you when you're gone, but I want enough to get there on ... '

But the wisest words I've heard concerning money are, "A man's life does not consist in the abundance of the things which he possesses."
 
Daleandee said:
But the wisest words I've heard concerning money are, "A man's life does not consist in the abundance of the things which he possesses."
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I’ve learned over the years, the hard way, that I don’t possess things, they possess me. After going through a divorce and divesting of many items that I left claw marks on, I realized how captive my possessions kept me. I am much happier now and any material items I have I consider to be on temporary loan and am willing to part with them if prudent. That was a major change in my life outlook.
 
Money - is what I call and option generator. I just spent about 3 quality hours installing upgraded brakes on my plane. Yeah - it would be easy for my to just write a check, point to the parts and the plane and walk away. My options were to spend the time myself and do it, or engage in another pursuit.

However - I was in the shop, had the XM radio tuned to Classic Vinyl, all the bits were there, it's a cool sunny afternoon, and I just decided that the other options were to go sit in the barcalounger and watch MLB, or clean my rifle and pistol, or install brakes myself. i chose brakes, and now I have that satisfaction knowing that when I land on a stubby runway, and slam on the brake pedal I'm going to stop, even if I have to skid. I land on a 2200' turf runway sometimes, and there's trees off the end so I tend to dive over the trees and land. Good brakes are important, and I would rather do the job myself and catch a ball game on ESPN later.

Some people call it 'F U' money. I just call it options. I'm not tied to anything but taxes and death. So far, I'm cheating at both! :cheerswine:
 
I like Joe Rogan's definition: Fun Tickets

Barrett had a better day than I today. :lol: I taught my oldest what it takes to plant a small patch of grass. Now maybe he won't pick on me for griping at people to get off my lawn.
 
The families in question are not suing the Biffle estate. The *attorneys representing* the families are suing the Biffle estate. The attorneys, acting in accordance with their professional mandate, do not care one subatomic particle who was really at fault, they care only what they can convince a jury to award (if it comes to that) or the estate’s attorneys to settle for in comparison to the cost of further litigation.
 
MFE said:
The families in question are not suing the Biffle estate. The *attorneys representing* the families are suing the Biffle estate.
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It was the decision of the families in question to bring the suit. No doubt lawyers contacted them claiming they could get big settlements, but, ultimately, the families had to decide to go ahead. The lawyers couldn't list the families as plaintiffs without their consent.

Ron Wanttaja
 
MFE said:
The families in question are not suing the Biffle estate. The *attorneys representing* the families are suing the Biffle estate. The attorneys, acting in accordance with their professional mandate, do not care one subatomic particle who was really at fault, they care only what they can convince a jury to award (if it comes to that) or the estate’s attorneys to settle for in comparison to the cost of further litigation.
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A distinction without a difference. The plaintiffs hired the attorneys, and were obviously contributory to the pleading.
 
wanttaja said:
It was the decision of the families in question to bring the suit. No doubt lawyers contacted them claiming they could get big settlements, but, ultimately, the families had to decide to go ahead. The lawyers couldn't list the families as plaintiffs without their consent.

Ron Wanttaja
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Fair enough, but with the added condition that the families may be one step removed by life insurance providers trying to recover their benefit payout.
I’m not defending the families, they may be saber-rattlers of their own accord, but I have seen this movie before.
 
3393RP said:
A distinction without a difference. The plaintiffs hired the attorneys, and were obviously contributory to the pleading.
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“Hired” and “agreed to employ” is a distinction with a difference IMO.
 
FlightmechH3 said:
Biffle's helo pilot and the pilot's wife have warrants for their arrests. Sounds like they stole banking info after breaking into Biffle's house after the crash and also stole money, guns, and NASCAR stuff

This is getting entertaining
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Sounds like they read the song wrong. They should've taken lawyers instead of the NASCAR stuff.
 
MFE said:
“Hired” and “agreed to employ” is a distinction with a difference IMO.
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Like someone else said, is it possible the insurance companies are driving the lawsuits and these parties are just legally obligated to go along?
 
I'm guessing that Dutton Sr had a very weak life insurance policy and his son had none.

Dutton family wants money.
 
dans2992 said:
Like someone else said, is it possible the insurance companies are driving the lawsuits and these parties are just legally obligated to go along?
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Not sure how they'd be legally obligated. The deceased cannot apply a legal obligation to their heirs, just like signing a waiver doesn't mean your wife can't sue if you get killed.

The only way it might be possible is a requirement if they were to collect insurance, but generally I hear the companies themselves are the plaintiffs in subrogation cases.

Mind you, I'm an engineer, not a lawyer.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Yep… it’s a huge stretch for the PIC’s estate to blame Biffle’s estate for this.
 
Everyone hates lawyers til they need one.

I don't have a problem with the Dutton family suing. Likely there are some kids without a father to provide for them. Biffle's megabucks are going to get divided up amongst extended family, lawyers, estate trusts, and creditors. Might as well make sure the aircrew widows and orphans get a piece.
 
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I've had some positive experiences with lawyers. There's often a bit of a barrier between how they present themselves and who they really are, maybe similar to LE but a much lower barrier. Had an accidental team working for me when I was in a bit of a jam - my attorney who was a friend of mine, his wife who was also an attorney, and his partner. It was a weird enough case that between the 3 of them they had about 4 opinions, and it all worked out OK. And I worked a bit for a government agency that had their own legal staff. Once we all understood that I wasn't going to try to play legal and they weren't going to try to play tech we got along really well...but it took a while for that trust to build up.

Corporate civil suit guys? I asked on a long time ago if he felt any remorse or guilt for what he did, and he said "not a bit", because in his mind when things got to him it was all emotional/personal. That if the two sides had any sense they would have just settled. Now, that's a simplistic view, and it doesn't accurately capture when the big software companies decide to just squish the little companies, but I do get that a lot of the time it's just a combination of poor decision making and emotion.
 
dans2992 said:
Like someone else said, is it possible the insurance companies are driving the lawsuits and these parties are just legally obligated to go along?
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That was me who said that, and I believe it's entirely possible.
 
Warmi said:
People will often fold and succumb to their lowest instincts when presented with suitably convincing mirage of sudden riches- hell I probably would
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Every single person here complaining about lawyers would be suing away if they were in a situation like this. “But this is different…”
 
It’s sorta funny that the guy who knowingly flew illegally is the plaintiff in one of these lawsuits, but I’d also be willing to bet Biffle absolutely knew this guy didn’t have a single pilot endorsement. These types of things really make me wonder. You would think Biffle would have the brains to ask the right questions given his background, but it’s probably just another “it won’t happen to me”-type thing. I mean he clearly knew of issues with the plane that he wasn’t particularly worried about.
 
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