best home security system?

wanttaja said:
Friends of ours had a couple of Rotties. We were well-known to them, and they were all friendly when my wife and I came over.

Once, I was play-chasing one of the couple's kids. The kid was screeching with excitement. One of the Rotties ran up next to me and just shoved me away. Knew me but didn't like what was happening, reacted with the minimum level of force to solve the problem. Smart dog.

Neighbor was beating on his wife one night, and she escaped to my friends' house. The dogs were NOT happy, but let her go past the fence to the house without hindrance. But they didn't let the man in.

Ron Wanttaja
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When I'd had Duke (Rottie mix) about a year, I was visiting my mom in Manhattan with him. He and I walked across the street to Starbucks, and I left him tied to a parking meter (which is common place there). He just stayed there happy with his tail wagging until some dude who was obviously drunk, on drugs, both, whatever came to walk by.

Duke about near ripped the parking meter out of the concrete and was barking, jumping, etc. at the guy enough that he went the other way and crossed the street.

I get outside and a man with a stroller asks me "Is that your dog?" I'm thinking he's about to chew me out for having a big dog in NYC who was acting violent. When I told him that Duke was my dog, he said "Your dog is a very good judge of character."

bluee said:
I'm so sorry to hear about Duke. It sounds like he had hemangiosarcoma, cancer that affects the spleen, liver, and heart. My German Shepherd Boris died of hemangiosarcoma five years ago. He was the best dog.
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For the previous year or so, every now and then he'd jump around outside like the extremely energetic guy he was, and then come back in seeming in pain. A day or two later he'd be back to his normal self, so we figure he just had pulled a muscle and was fine.

This time when that happened, after 3 days he was still not his normal self, so we took him to the vet. That's when they discovered the massive hemorrhaging caused by this growth on his spleen. They could have done surgery, but said that there was about a 50/50 shot that it was cancer anyway and he'd be dead in 6 months. Plus there was a less than 100% chance of surviving the surgery, especially in his weakened state. We just didn't think it was fair to put him through that.

I'd always figured that given his size he'd last until about 10. But, as we know, life can be lost at any time.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
For the previous year or so, every now and then he'd jump around outside like the extremely energetic guy he was, and then come back in seeming in pain. A day or two later he'd be back to his normal self, so we figure he just had pulled a muscle and was fine.

This time when that happened, after 3 days he was still not his normal self, so we took him to the vet. That's when they discovered the massive hemorrhaging caused by this growth on his spleen. They could have done surgery, but said that there was about a 50/50 shot that it was cancer anyway and he'd be dead in 6 months. Plus there was a less than 100% chance of surviving the surgery, especially in his weakened state. We just didn't think it was fair to put him through that.

I'd always figured that given his size he'd last until about 10. But, as we know, life can be lost at any time.
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That describes my dog. He did have surgery to remove his spleen, but they only confirmed what they suspected, that it was cancerous and had already spread to his liver. He died three weeks later. He was almost 12.

From what I have heard from others, and read, masses on the spleen are almost always hemangiosarcoma, and there is no good outcome from that, your odds were much worse than 50/50. :(
 
bluee said:
That describes my dog. He did have surgery to remove his spleen, but they only confirmed what they suspected, that it was cancerous and had already spread to his liver. He died three weeks later. He was almost 12.

From what I have heard from others, and read, masses on the spleen are almost always hemangiosarcoma, and there is no good outcome from that, your odds were much worse than 50/50. :(
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That was my thought. I just didn't see how putting him through surgery and spending the money would end in a result that was possibly good for anyone.

Sometimes the right decisions are the hardest ones. Actually, in my experience it's usually. :(
 
Ted DuPuis said:
That was my thought. I just didn't see how putting him through surgery and spending the money would end in a result that was possibly good for anyone.

Sometimes the right decisions are the hardest ones. Actually, in my experience it's usually. :(
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Yeah, I know, but he was my favorite dog of all time. I wanted that sliver of a chance that it was benign. He perked up on my birthday, then went downhill fast and died few days later.

Once a weird guy came to the door and wouldn't say what he wanted, and wouldn't leave. Boris shoved himself between me and the guy and snarled at him, and the guy took off.
 

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DaleB said:
Doesn't even need to be a large, black dog. Ours is the nicest, friendliest Golden Doodle you'd ever hope to meet, adores kids, looks like an oversized Muppet. But when someone is outside the house, you'd swear there's a Rottweiler in the place trying to get out so he can kill, dismember and eat someone. We don't need an alarm - hell, we don't even need a doorbell.
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Mom and Dad had a Golden Retriever years ago who was the biggest sweetie you'd ever want to know. But, if Mom was home alone and someone came to the door he sounded like nothing but trouble. Good thing they couldn't see that tail in the dark. THAT was dangerous the way he wagged it.
 
bluee said:
Yeah, I know, but he was my favorite dog of all time. I wanted that sliver of a chance that it was benign. He perked up on my birthday, then went downhill fast and died few days later.

Once a weird guy came to the door and wouldn't say what he wanted, and wouldn't leave. Boris shoved himself between me and the guy and snarled at him, and the guy took off.
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It sounds like Boris was a very good judge of character, too.
 
weilke said:
Or they'll turn around and shoot you now that your concealment is blown.
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Come into my house sometime at night. There are six doors opening onto the balcony, all of them typically open. Are you sure you'll be able to ell which one I'm behind from the first floor? (but, then again, it probably won't get that far since there are three dogs in the house.)

weilke said:
if you shoot something that works on anything bigger than a squirrel, it'll go right through the wall,
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The biggest thing I keep in the house is #4 Magnum loads and that's what's in my shotgun. I'll check out your theory sometime.

weilke said:
Shooting a duck at 50 yards with a pattern is different from shooting at a human silouette at 3-5 yards. No difference in your need to aim between a handgun, evil black rifle or shotgun.
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Did you notice that my barrel is 18.0000000001"? No need to aim, just point it in the general direction, even at close range.
 
Check out Boxotruth.com. Lots of vids and pics of all kinds of rounds through all kinds of walls and stuff.
I'm not affiliated.
And I don't know how to post a link:redface:
 
"Did you notice that my barrel is 18.0000000001"? No need to aim, just point it in the general direction, even at close range."

And hope someone walks into that hail of lead. :D
 
timwinters said:
Did you notice that my barrel is 18.0000000001"? No need to aim, just point it in the general direction, even at close range.
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Have you patterned it on a large paper target?

You might be surprised where most of the shot ends up. Many people are.

It's still usually confined to about 3" at a short (household defense) distance.
 
Barrel length has little to do with the pattern.

The old standard is 1 inch per yard in spread, so for home defense the grouping will be tight.

I personally don't like the effects of rifling on buckshot. I prefer a more linear spread.

9 33 caliber little friends at 1200 FPS is excellent home security IMO.
 
denverpilot said:
Have you patterned it on a large paper target?

You might be surprised where most of the shot ends up. Many people are.

It's still usually confined to about 3" at a short (household defense) distance.
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Honestly, no I haven't.

I have tested my "float trip snake gun" that I take canoeing with me though. It's an old Stevens 22/410 over/under that's been cut off to 9" (plus or minus 9.000001") and has a custom hand carved pistol grip.

It throws a pattern almost 2' in diameter at a snake that's about 5' away. Hard to miss.

It's a great little float trippin' gun.

I'll have to check the other one. Sounds like I need to use drywall in lieu of paper though and check both theories at the same time.
 
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timwinters said:
As an aside, if you have kids, shotguns are far safer than handguns. The shot won't go through walls with enough force to seriously injure someone on the other side.
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No, #00 Buck will go through walls with enough force to kill.

You have to buy #6 Buck shot and load them yourself.

Those lose enough energy going through walls to not kill on the other side.
 
Capt.Crash'n'Burn said:
No, #00 Buck will go through walls with enough force to kill.

You have to buy #6 Buck shot and load them yourself.

Those lose enough energy going through walls to not kill on the other side.
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Yep, 00 is 33 caliber and traveling at wicked speeds. It will shrug off the typical residential interior wall and keep on trucking. I've said to hell with trying to keep my shotgun rounds in the room and stagger 3" #4 buck and slugs. Figure it will probably stop when it encounters the brick exterior wall.

My AR is actually the one least likely to go through, it lives with frangibles in the magazine and my walls aren't drywall either.
 
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