Bendixking AeroFlight (KI 300) and AeroCruze (KFC 230)

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  1. Steve P

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    The L was essential a freebie with the STC. The M, R, and S are coming about 3 months after the initial release with the second wave of airframes being added to the STC.
     
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    Because of the J and K, or something else?

    Very odd, because the L is more similar to the M/R/S in everything but horsepower than it is to the J/K.

    #curious
     
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    @Steve P - I, like many others, have read Peter's account. In case you don't know of him, he is an extremely well respected member of the European GA community, and I believe has a business designing and manufacturing electronics. If he says that BK are putting out junk products, I believe him; and his account of how the company completely refuse to support their product is shocking.

    I suspect I am not the only one who wouldn't even contemplate using BK products without a very thorough response to the issues he and other owners faced. As far as I can tell from his experience, nobody from the CEO on down has any interest at all in even responding or admitting there was a problem.

    You stated in your second post that "Bendix King needs to tackle concerns head on". This would be a good one to address. Would you care to comment?
     
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    While I appreciate BK making an effort to re enter the market, the products they had on display at Airventure aren't going to get them there. Compared to the segment leaders, the displays are pathetic and user interface was terrible and priced too high. If they expect to get back into the market they are going to have to do better for less to get some installations going again. Start with a slide in KX-155 replacement with actual buttons instead of touch screen. Then they need a knock out WAAS gps that undercuts Avidyne and Garmin then a proper G5 competitor. They need to focus on the Experimental market as those are the people most likely to go out on a limb and try something new. Frankly I am surprised BK is even still around. If they ever do come out with good products again I would be the first to go to bat for them as I like an underdog.
     
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    Steve, are there any plans to add wireless or full ADSB IN to the KSN770 or is the KSN770 going to be replaced with a new product. Besides charts it would be nice to upload flight plans from a tablet? Also, how exactly does the KGX130R interact with the KSN770?
    Thanks
     
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    RFriesen,

    The KFC 230 received TSOII on 12/14 and we are continuing to push for the AML STC.

    So to answer your question. Yes, we are still on track for Q1 2019.
     
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    I'm being told it was to do with horsepower, past that I don't have a much more information.
     
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    Currently, flight plans can be loaded by using the KSN 770 PC Trainer (KSN Simulator) available to download from the BendixKing Website. At this time there are no plans to implement wireless or tablet loading. Full ADS-B in something engineering is trying to implement but there is no time frame for that update at this time. The KX 130R connects via ARINC 429 and provides some ADS-B in (TIS-A) to the KSN, but mostly the KSN is used as the GPS source for the KGX 130 series transponders. With some KGX systems, the ADS-B (including TIS-B) can be output to a tablet device using Foreflight and other apps.

    You can download the KSN PC trainer at https://www.bendixking.com/en/products/productitems/ksn-770 and scroll toward the bottom on the page.

    Cheers,

    Steve
     
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    Yes thanks for your reply. I have verified everything as stated. My 2cents worth, per my understanding it is a hardware issue so I do not believe they will ever be able to do ADSB-In without some major board upgrade or bypass to the KSN770 as the circuitry is just not there. TIS-A will being phased out? So basically the KSN770 is a comm radio,VLOC/GPS navigator equivalent to a Garmin 530W before Flightstream 210. IMHO, this unit should be selling for $7-9,000, the equivalent of a refurb G530W. Thanks for all your help
     
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    Steve P.

    If you need a test bed for a PA46-310P I volunteer. KFC150 with Aspen. STEC-3100 certified but early adapters on MMOPA not too happy. GFC600
    not yet certified but talking 32K installed with new Garmin servos. My servos are fine but altitude information from the KEA-130a is not ideal.

    Eric
     
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    Steve,
    I have been following your posts, so joined to be able to chime in.
    Mooney K model, KAP 150, Sandel 3308, Garmin 430/GDL39.
    Everything works well. ADS-B out required this year. Would like WAAS and more reliable AI. The guy paying a premium to have all his Garmin components match is not me. HW replacement units appeal to me, but pricing is not competitive. Right now my upgrade choice would be garmin. Garmin is a marginally better product at a lower price. HW’s prowess in jet market doesn’t translate to GA. You’re going to have to fight to get back in.
    Good Luck. It’s a tough crowd.
    Bryan
     
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    Yes, when BK says their recommitting to GA, I think they meant commercial general aviation, but we shall see. Are they shipping the AeroVue Touch yet???
     
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    Eric,

    I appreciate the offer and I'll get it over to the flight test group ASAP. I'll PM you with further information.

    Happy New Year!

    Steve
     
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    Steve good to see that BK has some one visiting the light GA forums.
     
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    Bryan,

    Thanks for weighing in.

    I think you're pretty much spot on, and we are working on bring our prices down. You can see this with our new autopilot releasing this quarter, and we've dropped the list price on the KI300 as well ($5330 USD with the autopilot adapter).
    It'll be a fight, but we're trying to create some much needed competition because that benefits everyone.

    Happy New Year!

    Steve
     
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    even cheaper at Sarasota Avionics. (no affliation whatsoever btw)
     
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    Yay! Now we're getting somewhere.

    Any chance you could include some more robust yoke switches with the KFC 230? Having replaced both the $800 trim switch and $300 disconnect, I'm not too keen on keeping them if they're going to continue to be unreliable (which, based on Peter's analysis, I can't see how they could possibly be reliable). They really need to be more beefy, and cheaper too.
     
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    Hopefully for the disconnect they use one of those fancy 'relay' things instead of just running all the power through the switch. You're not likely to get a switch that small that can handle that level of current properly.
     
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    Engineering is looking at switch options right now. I'm hoping I can give some guidance for new yoke switches around the time of release.

    Cheers,

    Steve
     
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    Excellent, thanks!

    How's the autopilot adapter for the KI-300 coming along? (KA310?)